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Feb 11-12, 2012 Observations/Discussion/Nowcasting


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Goes down as one of the worst model failures for the euro and ncep. Rgem never bought into the higher amounts and was right. Pulled the plug yesterday. Did not look good at midnight and like I said pre 0z never in my life do I remember a system working out that had almost all the meaningful precip off the east coast to start. I remember substantial busts about every 7-8 years with this type of system on average, distinctly remember one with showegler and co in the 80s and Kent prior.

I don't know why our how models failed to model the southern sw well, it does appear the deal breaker was the weak system that traversed the south central gom and off florida. Added even more strength to the well offshore theory, total mess.

i don't think it's going to be all that bad by you...at all...3 or 4" shouldn't be hard to reach, IMO. don't you have some already on the ground?

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i dont' think this underperforms much at all...this was never going to be 7 or 8" out here.

By Kevin's metric it's an underperformer. If you were expecting 4" or 5" in Tolland this storm will disappoint all the way to the coast.

This had some chance to come west but it was clear by yesterday morning it wasn't. That's why having the conservative forecast initially is 9 times out of 10 the way to go. Within 24-36 hours you can grab 'em and chuck 'em if you have to.

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i dont' think this underperforms much at all...this was never going to be 7 or 8" out here.

Hope you're right. It looked yesterday like you could get 5-7 or so. At any rate..enjoy whatever you get. Those pics you posted of the kids sledding on mulch the other day were just about right for 99% of SNE. Kids are very disappointed..Told them I would take them sledding today

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By Kevin's metric it's an underperformer. If you were expecting 4" or 5" in Tolland this storm will disappoint all the way to the coast.

This had some chance to come west but it was clear by yesterday morning it wasn't. That's why having the conservative forecast initially is 9 times out of 10 the way to go. Within 24-36 hours you can grab 'em and chuck 'em if you have to.

i was thinking 1-3" in CT...that'll end up high but admittedly i didn't look much out there.

hrr smokes this region later this morning into the early afternoon - which lines up really nicely with when the globals and nam take the best lift over the cape.

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i was thinking 1-3" in CT...that'll end up high but admittedly i didn't look much out there.

hrr smokes this region later this morning into the early afternoon - which lines up really nicely with when the globals and nam take the best lift over the cape.

Yeah I thought 1-3 here as well yesterday. By last night I pulled the plug.

Some people had 2-5 or 3-6 in eastern CT. One station apparently had 5-10!!!!

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Sun out, patches of blue overhead. It's still cloudy to both my north and west, so I'm sure (?) this is just temporary. But even here where I as expecting minimal all along, seeing the sun is kind of funny.

28/25, sky has brightened but still have -sn. Radar to the west looks like some more -sn will move in for you.

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Hope you're right. It looked yesterday like you could get 5-7 or so. At any rate..enjoy whatever you get. Those pics you posted of the kids sledding on mulch the other day were just about right for 99% of SNE. Kids are very disappointed..Told them I would take them sledding today

After you crapped on me yesterday, now you know why I felt lousy about it outside of se areas?

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By Kevin's metric it's an underperformer. If you were expecting 4" or 5" in Tolland this storm will disappoint all the way to the coast.

This had some chance to come west but it was clear by yesterday morning it wasn't. That's why having the conservative forecast initially is 9 times out of 10 the way to go. Within 24-36 hours you can grab 'em and chuck 'em if you have to.

So what you're saying is presaging the roads Friday morning in CT was probably not warranted? I think we will live with the fear from the last two winters for many years. I give it about two more years or this before people go back to screaming at weathermen vs the governor.

I've got a solid coating here. Massive dendrites falling but not more than light. This one screams of dead man walking.

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i was thinking 1-3" in CT...that'll end up high but admittedly i didn't look much out there.

hrr smokes this region later this morning into the early afternoon - which lines up really nicely with when the globals and nam take the best lift over the cape.

Yeah HRRR looks great.

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that's insane.

Yeah there was never the support for that outside of 2 rogue NAM runs. Euro was steadfast with lower QPF as were most of the globals.

I will say that the ensembles did look impressive for a time with amped up solutions but we all knew that the southern s/w would be the problem and indeed it is.

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i don't think it's going to be all that bad by you...at all...3 or 4" shouldn't be hard to reach, IMO. don't you have some already on the ground?

Yeah covered up nice but but but....hate to admit this but Kev was right about the angle of the dangle, and the warm ground here from the epic torch that has flowers blooming before valentines day is preventing any accumulation on roads. It's like a snowstorm in April.

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So what you're saying is presaging the roads Friday morning in CT was probably not warranted? I think we will live with the fear from the last two winters for many years. I give it about two more years or this before people go back to screaming at weathermen vs the governor.

I've got a solid coating here. Massive dendrites falling but not more than light. This one screams of dead man walking.

the fact that you've got a coating of snow already is a good sign. most progs were still liquid or mix at this point and really didn't flip things til after 9 or 10AM...bit earlier up your way.

and the good lift is certainly still pegged to move over us. that hasn't changed. i think you're in good shape for some decent accumulations...though suppose it could end up slightly east of you but i wouldn't expect that.

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Yeah covered up nice but but but....hate to admit this but Kev was right about the angle of the dangle, and the warm ground here from the epic torch that has flowers blooming before valentines day is preventing any accumulation on roads. It's like a snowstorm in April.

yeah roadways might be a different issue...not sure but i think those will even cover over.

i'm down to 33.3/31...most progs were like 36F right now.

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