weatherwiz Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Right around mid-month could be interesting once we get the phase 8 mjo wave and we kind of start getting a weak trough developing and moving through the country. It would be great if we could see a much deeper digging trough that than what the GFS has...if we could get a deeper digging trough that could tap more into the Gulf of Mexico to tap into some of the moisture/energy down there and also perhaps create a more favorable upper level environment favorable for rapid/deep cyclogenesis. What completely sucks though is how strong the jet stream is across the southern US. Even with the PNA ridge trying to build there into western Canada this jet is so freaking strong it's nearly impossible to get any solid troughs to develop...we go through a brief period of some cold weather thanks in part to the PV but once that gets out of range the ridge flexes and we go to warmth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Right around mid-month could be interesting once we get the phase 8 mjo wave and we kind of start getting a weak trough developing and moving through the country. It would be great if we could see a much deeper digging trough that than what the GFS has...if we could get a deeper digging trough that could tap more into the Gulf of Mexico to tap into some of the moisture/energy down there and also perhaps create a more favorable upper level environment favorable for rapid/deep cyclogenesis. What completely sucks though is how strong the jet stream is across the southern US. Even with the PNA ridge trying to build there into western Canada this jet is so freaking strong it's nearly impossible to get any solid troughs to develop...we go through a brief period of some cold weather thanks in part to the PV but once that gets out of range the ridge flexes and we go to warmth. You imply suppression mid-month, and then imply too much warmth at the same time...you need to do more homework on winter wx wiz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I just don't get the obsession with the futility record...I like interesting weather...and I don't find 45 and sunny interesting. I do get it it from a meteorological perspective...but my futility record is somewhere around ~25" I'd guess (5" or so less then ORH) and I'd rather 25.1" then 24.9". The more snow the better. I'd rather receive 19" and set a record than 2 more 1"ers.....you don't need to understand it, just accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'd rather receive 19" and set a record than 2 more 1"ers.....you don't need to understand it, just accept it. Yes...matter of opinion...I would never root for it in my lifetime...but everyone has their own opinion. To me, it feels like rooting for a no hitter against yuor own team in baseball...that ultimate futility. But we all tick to different clicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I read it and actually thought, man that's sorta of like rooting for a record drought, I mean really what a boring fascination with the menial. Sort of like rooting for your favorite team to lose every game. I just do not see anything remotely fascinating about beating a record that corresponds with absolute boring Meterology. I don't care about tides in sw RI, but I don't chastize you for posting about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Yes...matter of opinion...I would never root for it in my lifetime...but everyone has their own opinion. To me, it feels like rooting for a no hitter against yuor own team in baseball...that ultimate futility. But we all tick to different clicks. If you're going to give me a major event, then I would take it...but I don't care to get a couple of windshield brushers that will melt the next day...I'd opt for the record. Just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Earlier this year we had a quote on the mid Atlantic forum, "This winter is interesting, interesting how boring it is" I can understand rooting for a crappy winter and which I am proud to be rooting for right now. I just can't get satisfaction complaining about a winter that is pretty bad, but not the worst ever. People can say "Yeah well we got a little" and put a spear my ultrarant. Don't get me wrong, if models agree on a KU storm 2 days out I'll be right back on board. I just can't cheer on a 2-4" event at this point. And of course as with all my personal taste posts, In no way am my telling anyone else they have to agree with this. Feel free to jerk it over 1-3" all you want. This maybe the first time I have ever agreed with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 If you're going to give me a major event, then I would take it...but I don't care to get a couple of windshield brushers that will melt the next day...I'd opt for the record. Just me. I enjoy them all...even the 1.4" events. I love to see snow fall...that is just me too...and I know a lot of people prefer larger events otherwise they will take no event at all, but that is just the differences between most of us snow enthusiasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Who cares if it blows by a half inch or ten inches it still blows. My wish is those who wish for it get it. Another south coast scraper with a 6-12 death band would be perfect. I've already wished this next 1-3"er s of the pike...agreed. Thanks for the support, sparky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I enjoy them all...even the 1.4" events. I love to see snow fall...that is just me too...and I know a lot of people prefer larger events otherwise they will take no event at all, but that is just the differences between most of us snow enthusiasts. That is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I wouldn't want the futility record. As a snow enthusiast...I personally would feel like I'd be rooting for my baseball team to get no hit....so even if the score is 10-0 in the 9th inning, I'm rooting for an ugly bloop single to break up the no hitter. If I was challenging the futility record, I'd root for a wet 4" of paste in April to prevent it. I know others feel differently, but that is the way I feel about it. How about when your team quits on you like last September.....I wasn't as down as I should have been because I was like "fu** you, you don't deserve it". This winter quit on us in October (spring training). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 What happened to megawatt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Yeah the futility record wouldn't really change the "type" of winter it is versus a winter like say '88-'89 or '79-'80 (for here...I know some areas actually got their record that year)...I experienced '88-'89 and '94-'95...both top 5 least snowiest seasons here and they royally sucked. Experiencing another season just like it except a little less snow is just a slightly suckier version of that already horrific winter. It does me nothing. I'd root for a random 8" snowbomb on March 25th to have a decent storm to enjoy over getting the futility record...as if it would bring this great sense of accomplishment having experienced it. As a snow lover, I feel more blessed to experience an 8" paste storm on March 25th instead of the futility record. But again, we all have our differing opinions...some of us are a bit more snow nuts than others. That is like saying if the Patriots had won one more game, it would have meant nothing.....you either have the championship\record, or you don't.....put the calculator down and acknowledge the entity that we know as subjectivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 How about when your team quits on you like last September.....I wasn't as down as I should have been because I was like "fu** you, you don't deserve it". This winter quit on us in October (spring training). I still wouldn't root for it. I wouldn't care. I root for something and wouldn't wish bad on it whether its Red Sox or winter...in the case of the Red Sox, if I knew it would make them better, I'd root for it (even though that is unlikely to ever be the case), but the winter has no such promises...it doesn't give a flying flip if you got the futility record the year before, it won't make sure you get rewarded the next winter. How did 1980-1981 work out there? I hate low snow totals, so I root for the highest snow total possible because it probably equals more enjoyment for me. But again, that is just me, and everyone has their own opinion on it, and its probably fruitless to debate because its a subjective argument. Nobody will sway from their own opinion on a subjective argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 That is like saying if the Patriots had won one more game, it would have meant nothing.....you either have the championship\record, or you don't.....put the calculator down and acknowledge the entity that we know as subjectivity. Record high points in euphoria are not equal nor the opposite in record lows on the same scale...but again, this is a subjective argument, so its fruitless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I still wouldn't root for it. I wouldn't care. I root for something and wouldn't wish bad on it whether its Red Sox or winter...in the case of the Red Sox, if I knew it would make them better, I'd root for it (even though that is unlikely to ever be the case), but the winter has no such promises...it doesn't give a flying flip if you got the futility record the year before, it won't make sure you get rewarded the next winter. How did 1980-1981 work out there? I hate low snow totals, so I root for the highest snow total possible because it probably equals more enjoyment for me. But again, that is just me, and everyone has their own opinion on it, and its probably fruitless to debate because its a subjective argument. Nobody will sway from their own opinion on a subjective argument. Not my point. I'm not arguing it will get me more snow next season, I just want to see the record......it's a $hitty analogy to begin with because there is a difference between rooting on an inch of slush and human beings due to some emotional attachment extended through generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 You imply suppression mid-month, and then imply too much warmth at the same time...you need to do more homework on winter wx wiz. No, I said (well meant if I didn't say) that after we see the suppression thanks to the PV once it moves into eastern Canada and then begins retreating northward that just opens up the door for the ridging to re-build here in the east then we go warm...that's why I said the period of colder weather would be brief before we go back to warm which would probably be towards the end of the month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Record high points in euphoria are not equal nor the opposite in record lows on the same scale...but again, this is a subjective argument, so its fruitless. Ok, I suppose it wouldn't have made a difference is the Giants lost one more game. The point is a record is a record...that is why it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Ok, I suppose it wouldn't have made a difference is the Giants lost one more game. The point is a record is a record...that is why it matters. Different stokes for different folks...again, the argument is fruitless because its subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Different stokes for different folks...again, the argument is fruitless because its subjective. I'm not arguing record low snow is not the most mundane of records possible....obviously I'd rather record high snows. And I have already said I'd take a significant event in lieu of the record....it's just that a few non plowable events aren't worth it for me. Most disagree, which is fine and I understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Euro really looking better in the upper levels...now has the sfc reflection a bit SE of the BM...but still not quite there...kind of what Scott and I talked about earlier...but it has an order just for Ray...a nice 1-3" long duration type snowfall. Wouldn't take much more to be bigger tho...I'll que the "this winter sucks...the upside will never happen" posts before they come tomorrow morning while I'm away. Then we can resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Euro really looking better in the upper levels...now has the sfc reflection a bit SE of the BM...but still not quite there...kind of what Scott and I talked about earlier...but it has an order just for Ray...a nice 1-3" long duration type snowfall. Wouldn't take much more to be bigger tho...I'll que the "this winter sucks...the upside will never happen" posts before they come tomorrow morning while I'm away. Then we can resume. I doubt 1-3" will happen because several days out...it's either going to trend to nothing or bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 If you're going to give me a major event, then I would take it...but I don't care to get a couple of windshield brushers that will melt the next day...I'd opt for the record. Just me. I agree with you on this... I love snow but if its not going to snow, you might as well set a record. Living through record events in weather is interesting in itself... drought, cold, warm, snow, no snow, etc. Everything gets lost in mediocracy but you remember the standout records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Weenie: Whose storm threat is this? Butch: It's a clipper, baby. Weenie: Whose clipper is this? Butch: It's the thread's. Weenie: What's a thread? Butch: Thread's dead, baby. Thread's dead. Classic! Day 10 Forever. Maybe they can make t-shirts. What a horrible stretch--I'm at my overnight low now of 32.6. Ugh. My snow is getting destroyed--every day a little bit more bites the dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Euro really looking better in the upper levels...now has the sfc reflection a bit SE of the BM...but still not quite there...kind of what Scott and I talked about earlier...but it has an order just for Ray...a nice 1-3" long duration type snowfall. Wouldn't take much more to be bigger tho...I'll que the "this winter sucks...the upside will never happen" posts before they come tomorrow morning while I'm away. Then we can resume. I'm getting psyched up for a nice snowy, long duration light to possibly moderate event this weekend. Saturday shold be a perfect winters day with snow falling and cold temps..Sort of like that day a few weeks ago when we had the widespread snowstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I'm getting psyched up for a nice snowy, long duration light to possibly moderate event this weekend. Saturday shold be a perfect winters day with snow falling and cold temps..Sort of like that day a few weeks ago when we had the widespread snowstorm. I can only see the euro ensembles on Raleighwx's site but they look promising to me for this potential event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I can only see the euro ensembles on Raleighwx's site but they look promising to me for this potential event. Yeah they look like the op. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Yeah they look like the op. E MA special? Of course...special in this winter is a relative term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 E MA special? Of course...special in this winter is a relative term. Yeah maybe, although it could easily be a BM special. Will be interesting to see guidance later. Still a little shaky about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowNH Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Yeah maybe, although it could easily be a BM special. Will be interesting to see guidance later. Still a little shaky about it. Which event is being being discussed????.. since the models show nothing, its tough for me as a weenie to see "potential" in a model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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