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That is a very potent southern stream feature being advertised on the Euro. The northern stream is very active to the north over Southeast Canada which is ultimately keeping the precipitation shunted to the south, despite allowing for a good cold air supply and antecedent airmass in place. 1000-500 hPa thicknesses are less than 528dm at 00z Sunday as the storm is organizing off the Southeast US Coast.

The surcface low tracks from the Western FL Panhandle along the GA/SC coast to OBX. A classic Mid Atlantic snow track as it is.

Northern stream starts getting involved at 18z Saturday over the Central Plains. Usually a very good sign. But the lack of amplitude out west is worrisome. There is a strong system advertised to crash into the Pac NW which rolls the ridge axis eastward and allows the system to subsequently escape south and east as well.

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Time to get Recon out there in the Pacific to help the models with the handling of any shortwaves out there.


Plan of the Day
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

000
NOUS42 KNHC 131800
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
0100 PM EST MON 13 FEBRUARY 2012
SUBJECT: WINTER STORM PLAN OF THE DAY (WSPOD)
	 VALID 14/1100Z TO 15/1100Z FEBRUARY 2012
	 WSPOD NUMBER.....11-075
I.  ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
   1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
   2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.
II. PACIFIC REQUIREMENTS
   1. FLIGHT ONE  -- TEAL 72
   A. P-56/ DROP 9 (44.3N 151.0W)/ 15/0000Z
   B. AFXXX 18WSC TRACK 56
   C. 14/1845Z
   D. 16 DROPS ON TRACK AS PUBLISHED
   E. AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE/ 15/0600Z
   FLIGHT TWO  -- NOAA49
   A. P-56/ DROP 9 (44.3N 151.0W)/ 15/1200Z
   B. NOAA9 19WSC TRACK56
   C. 15/0730Z
   D. 16 DROPS ON TRACK AS PUBLISHED
   E. 41,000 TO 45,000 FT/ 15/1800Z
   2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK:
   A. P-56/ DROP 9/ 16/0000Z
   B. P-56/ DROP 9/ 16/1200Z
			 JWP




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That is a very potent southern stream feature being advertised on the Euro. The northern stream is very active to the north over Southeast Canada which is ultimately keeping the precipitation shunted to the south, despite allowing for a good cold air supply and antecedent airmass in place. 1000-500 hPa thicknesses are less than 528dm at 00z Sunday as the storm is organizing off the Southeast US Coast.

The surcface low tracks from the Western FL Panhandle along the GA/SC coast to OBX. A classic Mid Atlantic snow track as it is.

Northern stream starts getting involved at 18z Saturday over the Central Plains. Usually a very good sign. But the lack of amplitude out west is worrisome. There is a strong system advertised to crash into the Pac NW which rolls the ridge axis eastward and allows the system to subsequently escape south and east as well.

Yup DT just mentioned this too. That may prevent this thing from coming further north.

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Yup DT just mentioned this too. That may prevent this thing from coming further north.

The lead time for our potential event allows for great differences to appear between now and then. I wouldn't be too worried about a system crashing on the west coast just yet, as that system would be coming ashore at the END of said lead time, meaning it will not be properly sampled for a very long time.

This may look totally different when game time approaches, however that doesn't mean the changes will be positive.

Right now it's just one more potential system to keep an eye on in what has otherwise been a very benign stretch of weather.

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The lead time for our potential event allows for great differences to appear between now and then. I wouldn't be too worried about a system crashing on the west coast just yet, as that system would be coming ashore at the END of said lead time, meaning it will not be properly sampled for a very long time.

This may look totally different when game time approaches, however that doesn't mean the changes will be positive.

Right now it's just one more potential system to keep an eye on in what has otherwise been a very benign stretch of weather.

wouldnt it be prudent to wait until inside the 72 hour mark for any kind of forecast as to what this storms gonna do? not just because of the models performance this year but better sampling of the pacific wave that will impact the west.

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I think we have to give it a couple days before getting too down about the threat. How many times have things trended north in the last few days? Of course we have a progressive flow now, so chances aren't AS great it will come north. We'll just have to keep tracking.

Agree, but there are alot of players that need to come into place-seems like we need 4 things to change vs just one and I'd put the odds of this working out pretty low unfortunately.

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Why is he wrong? The truth hurts sometimes

Did i say he is wrong? There is nothing wrong with saying a model has changed, runs have been inconsistent, but taking personal shots at posters and mets is not professional and not called for.

Its the difference between.

1. The mets lost, what a shame.

or

2. The mets lost, everyone who thought they would win looks like a fool, how can anybody possibly think they would win with such a ****ty team, what is wrong with you guys! I am so much better at predicting who wins than the professional sportscasters and analysts.

Its ok to be honest about a storm's chances, but to insult everyone who was slightly optimistic is uncalled for and ridiculous. Don't post on a board where nobody likes you

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For the January storm?

I had 3.5" of snow that covered everything, including main streets. And I live in an urban part of Queens, Astoria.

Yes but you live on the north shore...long beach got screwed from the warm air on that one...i even got an inch less than you 15 miles due east

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You live in CT, where it actually snowed enough to completely cover most grass. :axe:

JM lives in a *special" part of Long island...

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Yes but you live on the north shore...long beach got screwed from the warm air on that one...i even got an inch less than you 15 miles due east

AlGreek lives in NYC...

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