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February Banter Thread


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CPC usually changes these map every other day. One day they will show below normal than the next day above normal. If one were to look at the MJO and the latest NAO trends, they would be more optimistic about the pattern for the rest of February. In turn, the PNA ridge does appear to break down which will lead to thread the needle type of storm in a more zonal flow. So...I wouldn't get too down about February just yet.

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CPC usually changes these map every other day. One day they will show below normal than the next day above normal. If one were to look at the MJO and the latest NAO trends, they would be more optimistic about the pattern for the rest of February. In turn, the PNA ridge does appear to break down which will lead to thread the needle type of storm in a more zonal flow. So...I wouldn't get too down about February just yet.

I think 99 % of us are down on February already - there is no reason to be optimistic

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Yup even gets ABE up to around 40 degrees at 18 Z Saturday

What's so special about Allentown? If you said AVP or something...I might be impressed....

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What's so special about Allentown? If you said AVP or something...I might be impressed....

Probably because if Allentown which is inland and a valley away from the influence of the ocean more or less ..and we are getting up to 40 the BL in NYC is going to be at least at that range as well..

And it does

SAT 12Z 11-FEB 1.4 -4.9 1009 92 98 0.07 538 531

SAT 18Z 11-FEB 4.9 -6.1 1004 66 70 0.05 530 527

SUN 00Z 12-FEB -1.0 -8.1 1006 57 56 0.02 524 519

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Probably because if Allentown which is inland and a valley away from the influence of the ocean more or less ..and we are getting up to 40 the BL in NYC is going to be at least at that range as well..

And it does

SAT 12Z 11-FEB 1.4 -4.9 1009 92 98 0.07 538 531

SAT 18Z 11-FEB 4.9 -6.1 1004 66 70 0.05 530 527

SUN 00Z 12-FEB -1.0 -8.1 1006 57 56 0.02 524 519

Thats nasty! That doesn't bode well.

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Probably because if Allentown which is inland and a valley away from the influence of the ocean more or less ..and we are getting up to 40 the BL in NYC is going to be at least at that range as well..

And it does

SAT 12Z 11-FEB 1.4 -4.9 1009 92 98 0.07 538 531

SAT 18Z 11-FEB 4.9 -6.1 1004 66 70 0.05 530 527

SUN 00Z 12-FEB -1.0 -8.1 1006 57 56 0.02 524 519

Truth be told I haven't investigated the particular synoptic setup....there are certainly times ABE is warmer than Northern LI / S Shore CT...it is actually south of NYC's latitiude....and if the weather map is set up a certain way...even in winter...it can be warmer @ABE as a mid latitude cyclone nears...if the warm air is approaching from the SW...like I said...I haven't looked at the setup for this event...there are many times ocean influence barely makes it to Newark or LGA...

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Truth be told I haven't investigated the particular synoptic setup....there are certainly times ABE is warmer than Northern LI / S Shore CT...it is actually south of NYC's latitiude....and if the weather map is set up a certain way...even in winter...it can be warmer @ABE as a mid latitude cyclone nears...if the warm air is approaching from the SW...like I said...I haven't looked at the setup for this event...

Basically the same setup you showed where mtk has more snow (colder) then western LI,

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Basically the same setup you showed where mtk has more snow (colder) then western LI,

Though that was more of a Pittsburgh / NYC comparison....Allentown is east of the mountains and benefits from CAD that Pittsburgh does not see...

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Though that was more of a Pittsburgh / NYC comparison....Allentown is east of the mountains and benefits from CAD that Pittsburgh does not see...

Cold air does have a better chance of getting trapped in ABE and the general Lehigh Valley area than NYC; and they are a much higher ice storm risk than the coast...though way up in the atmosphere it will warm just as fast...

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so far NYC has only 25 days with a minimum 32 degrees or lower...It had a 30 day period 1/2-1/31 of 37.0...This is slightly cooler than the record 37.3 set in 1997-98...

min days.

25 2011-12 so far...

47 2001-02

49 1997-98

50 1998-99

53 1982-83

54 1990-91

57 1996-97

59 1952-53

59 1972-73

60 1957-58

60 1994-95

season....coldest 30 day ave...

1997-98.....37.3............

2011-12.....37.0.........

1948-49.....36.3.........

1931-32.....35.8..........

2007-08.....35.7..........

1952-53.....35.5..........

2001-02.....35.4..........

1936-37.....34.9..........

1990-91.....34.5..........

1932-33.....33.9..........

1950-51.....33.0..........

1974-75.....33.0..........

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Truth be told I haven't investigated the particular synoptic setup....

I do not have the ECMWF map...but if it similar to the RGEM simulation...dragging a Low along the NY / PA border and east into New England...well, *everyone* south of there would warm up for a period...ocean wouldn't be a factor.

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I've measured 5.1" of snow this season...IIRC, there was more last year...

Very rough winter to go through so far with the lack of threats and lack of snow. Going way back i think its easier to get dud winters around here then big ones. Obviously not in this last decade but historically speaking

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I haven't seen a snowflake beyond light flurries for 5 minutes since October. How appropriate that this year's AMS beckoned us away the day before our last "snowstorm". I'm close to getting through this entire meteorological winter without seeing any accumulating snow... that'd be a feat.

I'm loving the 00Z NAM's forecasted radar for tomorrow evening. Could it find any other ways to avoid my location? :lol:

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