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February 2012 - Obs/Disco/Banter


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6z GFS says basically forget about winter unless you live in Northern New England, and even there it looks questionable. 0C line straddles NYC much of the run, not cold at all especially with the quickly rising sun angle. Looks like more unseasonable warmth Monday-Wednesday for all of New England, a quick cool-down, then more above normal conditions.

0z ECM was pretty sad too....spring may be getting an early start as the PV over Greenland associated with the strong +NAO pattern begins to restrengthen...it almost tries to spread the cold out into the Northern Tier with the AK block but it fails and we get a SE ridge:

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Yeah because all those optimisitc posts worked out so well this winter.

The people you think are your friends here **** on you all the time elsehwere...just a heads up Bob, mainly because they think you aren't a very good mod. What you just said was totally uncalled for and didn't represent what I said on that forum at all today. Really a douche post by you.

Allsnow I said nothing negative in those posts at all. I didn't speak about any specific location or region, or any amounts. Just posted a map for christ sakes that was animated. Honestly, weather fanatics are a twitchy bunch and earn their reputation.

Let them **** on me elsewhere. It doesn't bother me if they feel I'm an awful moderator. I've been one for like 3 months now so I'll let time be the ultimate judge of how good/bad I am. I'm sorry you took offense to my post but your posts at times can rub people the wrong way. You can't see that in the replies you receive? I'm not sure what it is.

He shouldn't though. While I don't always agree with his opinion, analysis, style, he deserves our respect.

Just my $.02

I agree Dave.

I don't have a style Dave as you probably figured out long ago, I also am not going to sugar coat things to not hurt someones feelings. I don't control the weather, if someone wants to attack what I say on the standpoint of a weather discussion great I've got no problems with back and forth, but it's piss poor when moderators now insult people too.

And I actually stuck up for the guy when everyone else was crapping on him.

A huge part of the reason there is a sensitivity between regions is nothing was done within regions by the regions mods when the cross region crap went on in the last few years. So when someone else comes wandering in it's open season because people rightfully in that region think it's just more trolling. That's a fact, it got out of hand because of mods not willing to police their own.

It's not just the cross-regional stuff. It's the crap within the regions as well. I just think it can be exacerbated when someone from another region randomly shows up in another sub-forum posting. I agree that perception is everything. Some of that comes from just the member name/location but some of that comes from a posters past history. I agree that past history has projected forward and it's something we are dealing with or not dealing with as perception goes.

I can't recall you getting hit like you were today here in SNE. I'm sure it happened. Happens to everyone, but that was strange.

Going back and forth with MRG or someone is one thing, and those are usually in jest, but an unprovoked slam by someone you don't know, when you were doing nothing wrong was lame.

I hope that what Bob said was in jest.

I'm not sure what you mean by him getting hit in the SNE forum?

I disagree with the going back and forth with MRG. It's trolling however way you want to look at it and should not be allowed/tolerated, but is is. It goes back to the perception thing. How are we as moderators expected to know what is serious and what is not serious. How are we to draw that line?

My post on Messenger was how I see his post received by others.

I like MRG but part of what happened today is the result of his back and forth with that region. And again I will say it's the fault of the mods for not cleaning it up at the time within regions. I understand MRG and he does me, so when we go back and forth now for the most part we're doing it in jest...neither one of us has ever said anything personal.

What I said last night and today handn't been posted by anyone else, I checked before I posted. Nobody had discussed the 18z NAM at that point even though it was increasingly favorable for some. Nobody had really commented on the tendencies of the models earlier in the year up here. As it turns out we may see the very same last minute adjustments the wrong way like we have in tight here for several storms...but would you dare say that?

It's pathetic that what this has come to is having to worry about peoples emotional state while discussing science and weather. Honestly, it's embarassing and gives weather weenies a bad name. I doubt Harvey starts slapping Mike Lynch around or Bill B goes ape on his counterparts from Virginia because they're getting snow.

And sorry Will, it's absolutely psychotic that it's come down to you or anyone breaking down storms by region. What we've had to do here is gradually insulate one another because adults can't take Joe New Jersey getting snow while Ms. Delaware gets rain. It's so childish, it really is.

PSU Hoffman is cool, I have no problems with him, he misunderstood and I understand why he misunderstood.

My head is spinning from some of the comments. Some need to sit back and read what they wrote in context of the world around them. It's a weather discussion board, not myspace. I hope everyone gets snow and don't care who gets what. But I've shovled about 15 feet of blind optimism and 'hope for the best' and pattern change this winter. Maybe we need weather cheerleading subforums so those in distraught emotional states can get a rose colored glasses approach to the weather around them.

The trolling/ribbing needs to go, imo, if we are to see any change it the board dynamics.

The board was broken up due to the sheer number of posters/members. The main forum became too cluttered and discussions were buried by other regions that post more heavily than others.

On one hand you said you didn't even read where CT was getting **** on in the other thread but you manned up enough to insult me. So you had no idea in what context the things were being said - even though Dave offered an unbiased opinion and in the end it got worked out as my posts were mistaken. The NAM and probably all the models scooting SE/flatter at the very end shouldn't be a shock, it's been happening all winter for whatever reason with even the Euro usually showing nudges flat at the end. That's not weather talk?

You put up a post about not insulting people and then turn around and do it. Way to practice what you preach. If you want to take me to task about the weather side, please do it at the time. If you think I said something that was too negative, again say it at the time. It's so lowbrow to come back and take that shot after the fact. If you feel that strongly at the time say it.

I guess it just bothers me you had no idea in what context comments were made and what was said to CT and yet had to toss in your own insult.

I'm sorry if you felt I insulted you. Not my intention.

To be fair if we had a potential snowstorm miss us in the last 48hrs the last people I'd want to be in here to discuss our fail would be the MA...so it goes both ways. I didn't see all of the posts, but I think it's best to just let them deal with the fail on their own. We've been experts in that department lately.

Can't say I disagree but posters should be able to post in whatever region they want without being attacked for it. I also did not see all the posts that caused this ****storm and only ventured in there a couple times yesterday from reported posts to help out since Midlo is/was on vacation.

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Can't say I disagree but posters should be able to post in whatever region they want without being attacked for it. I also did not see all the posts that caused this ****storm and only ventured in there a couple times yesterday from reported posts to help out since Midlo is/was on vacation.

They're definitely overly hypersensitive to us posting in their forum, but certain people here have a history of trolling members of that region. If you publicly take pride in that sort of thing then you can't complain when a mod takes action and you have to deal with the repercussions.
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Lol I just got back in. You should be able to post 1000 times more a day how wonderful the weather is, enjoy. Difference between you and I, I guess is I like active weather and dynamics to talk about on a weather board.

LOL, who is up posting for big wind or water events?? Fantasy talk this year has been full of failure, I prefer to dabble in reality.

Hopefully we have a few good cutoffs this spring, and a decent cane season.........nothing we can do except deal with what ma nature throws at us.

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I browse the different forums when something is not going to have an impact on my region because I am here because I still find any event interesting to track. Also, in the event of a storm impacting my area, I can gather info from the other regions as to what it might do in Pittsburgh.

The problem wasn't the fact that CT went down to the MA and made a post..the post was absolutely fine. The problem is that the admins on that board did nothing about the bashing that he got from a bunch of the regular MA posters...and that the rules seem to apply differently to different people.

Ji, for example posted "we don't even need mets anymore...we should just use the European" yet, the post was not even deleted, and to my knowledge, the biggest weenie on the board has never been 5 posted. How does that make sense?

I just think if you are going to have guys down there that post rules, well, they should be followed by those guys...it has always been my biggest complaint on this board, the apparent double standard of different posters have different rules. A guy like PhineasC should have been 5 posted for his attack of CT...but never will happen. The same thing has happened to me before, and when I flat out asked the admins about it, I got ball busted about it...(granted, after a while I did take a pot shot at them because they ****** me off, and I made a reference to Marcus) and told to shut up.

In any case, that is my thoughts...I could also go into thoughts that I think it is absurd when there is a storm that is going to impact multiple regions that everything gets compartmentalized into the regional forums...2 days out, take it to your regions, but 5 days out, given the variability of what a storm may or may not due from that time frame, I think discussions should be on the main board.

There's a definite double standard. The mods here have probably been mods too long and in the end all of these "sites" have had a 4-5 yr shelf life before something implodes. That thread never should have happened, when there are admins and mods actively posting in it Bob's excuse kind of falls flat. Some mods take action, others do not.

What attack on CT and who is CT that went to the MA forum?

Same old same old, same stuff you guys went through earlier in the year, same people. Difference was the posts were totally inoccuous and weather related. The problem is you have some real fragile people who live and die by the weather and any comments that don't yield ten feet of snow are frowned upon. In the end all I was doing was posting a 500mb animation that was very good for some, not so good for others and I had no idea who fell under which category nor did I try to pretend I knew. Childish to the tenth.

Not you

Ctsnowstorm

He and Messenger were beat to a pulp and left in a pile of their own vomit

Beat to a pulp is an overstatement. The guy from PA nailed it. It's friends of a few of the admins that run roughshod...same people that mixed it up with MRG and others. Nothing is done because despite all of Bob's proclamations about reporting posts that only works if you're outside the favored sons. Trolling, baiting and breaking every rule is fine long as you know the right people. MRG got banned from OT for much much less, in OT.

I think those with the biggest gripes should MMA it out at the next GTG. An unofficial festivas...something tells me CT would be there and a few of the others wouldn't not :)

I've watched a bunch of CT Blizz's posts get deleted in the last month on this forum for 1/100th of what went on there. Kind of pathetic actually.

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Get out and enjoy these incredible days..............negativity is getting old

95% of the people here only want to talk about snow ITBY. snow elsewhere disinterests them, weather elsewhere the same. They don't care about nice winter weather.

I'm looking forward to skiing in relative warmth Monday...sunshine and not a ton of wind. is what it is. Friend of mine is up there today and says there's no snow at all until you get up past North Conway which is astounding. Is what it is!

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Let them **** on me elsewhere. It doesn't bother me if they feel I'm an awful moderator. I've been one for like 3 months now so I'll let time be the ultimate judge of how good/bad I am. I'm sorry you took offense to my post but your posts at times can rub people the wrong way. You can't see that in the replies you receive? I'm not sure what it is.

I agree Dave.

It's not just the cross-regional stuff. It's the crap within the regions as well. I just think it can be exacerbated when someone from another region randomly shows up in another sub-forum posting. I agree that perception is everything. Some of that comes from just the member name/location but some of that comes from a posters past history. I agree that past history has projected forward and it's something we are dealing with or not dealing with as perception goes.

I'm not sure what you mean by him getting hit in the SNE forum?

I disagree with the going back and forth with MRG. It's trolling however way you want to look at it and should not be allowed/tolerated, but is is. It goes back to the perception thing. How are we as moderators expected to know what is serious and what is not serious. How are we to draw that line?

My post on Messenger was how I see his post received by others.

The trolling/ribbing needs to go, imo, if we are to see any change it the board dynamics.

The board was broken up due to the sheer number of posters/members. The main forum became too cluttered and discussions were buried by other regions that post more heavily than others.

I'm sorry if you felt I insulted you. Not my intention.

Can't say I disagree but posters should be able to post in whatever region they want without being attacked for it. I also did not see all the posts that caused this ****storm and only ventured in there a couple times yesterday from reported posts to help out since Midlo is/was on vacation.

Bob, I get tired of hearing the negativity spin. Scott pulled it awhile back to. Tell me what we've had to be positive about this winter? Even when we have storms here this winter that have given some of us 8-10, 11"...most don't care because it's not in their backyards. If someone wants to attack what I say on a weather point I'm all for it. I can admit when I'm wrong. but being conservative will be effective MOST of the time, the last winter or two aside. That's all fine and good I get it, but it also goes to show even in the subforums it's very IMBY centric. If Will gets a 10" event and I get rain that's great...could care less. To this day nobody believes that. The only time I get frustrated and down is when forecasts actually bust and I go to bed expecting 6" of snow and wake up and get nothing. That's human nature, but I have never, ever understood the jealousy for someone else getting snow, it's childish.

PSU was fine, it got worked out. There's another poster there who violated every rule in the storm mode and nothing ever gets done. Tells people to leave (even within the region..stop posting) etc. Goes on in every forum, every thread. You guys all collectively do nothing. Same person that gets into it with MRG. Like I said...MRG got the boot from OT for much less and not in storm mode. That's what I have a hard time with.

If you guys are going to put rules in place and delete Kevin's posts that are totally harmless...why are attacks allowed to stand? Why can one member tell other members to go away and not post and that's tolerated? That's what I've never understood.

Why does someone like MRG out of OT which is supposed to be the undiscovered country and others on main threads in storm mode can be incredible disruptive? Again on talking about Hoff at all...he's cool. I just have a real hard time with the double standard, and rules being posted that don't get followed.

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95% of the people here only want to talk about snow ITBY. snow elsewhere disinterests them, weather elsewhere the same. They don't care about nice winter weather.

I'm looking forward to skiing in relative warmth Monday...sunshine and not a ton of wind. is what it is. Friend of mine is up there today and says there's no snow at all until you get up past North Conway which is astounding. Is what it is!

Not in the SNE thread bro, most of our active posters like weather, period. I get my rocks off discussing active Meterology, some get their rocks off talking about calm 65 and sunny.

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What a train wreck on the board today.

If the mods enforced the standing rules there'd have been no problem. CT was left swinging in the wind for absolutely no reason. It's pretty bad when you have out of region guys even calling it like it was.

Christ Tip cannot even post one of his manifesto's without getting it now...everyones mental state is as fragile as eggshells.

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If the mods enforced the standing rules there'd have been no problem. CT was left swinging in the wind for absolutely no reason. It's pretty bad when you have out of region guys even calling it like it was.

Christ Tip cannot even post one of his manifesto's without getting it now...everyones mental state is as fragile as eggshells.

If you think us busting Tips balls is even remotely serious you do not have a grasp on our dynamic. I think you have fully made your point about regionality and all of us agree, but lay off Bob, it's not his region. Baroclinic took care of it.

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Not in the SNE thread bro, most of our active posters like weather, period. I get my rocks off discussing active Meterology, some get their rocks off talking about calm 65 and sunny.

I'd put you in the category of liking all weather. I don't care if it's on your head or mine I'm the same way.

I can't get excited about 10 pages of windex events that never happen. I'm with Ray on that one. When I saw the MM5 get posted I knew that was a goner. But weather is weather, we get a lot of it.

The mods are allowing this to become a very sub region centric, sheltered site. I picture people in their moms basements with the shades drawn with a Hustler magazine on the left and Kocins book on the right angrily snapping at anyone that barges in on their turf.

It's the weather, I don't believe for a moment CT was trolling and let's face it, it's not like anyone knocked the forecast out of the park in those threads, red taggers or not. All opinions should be welcome. If one line zingers can stand, I just don't see what the problem was with CT.

our subforum had to change this winter because of the demands of other regions. Why then shouldn't they be held to the standards set right at the top as "rules/storm mode?" Why did we have to change in our threads?

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Bob, I get tired of hearing the negativity spin. Scott pulled it awhile back to. Tell me what we've had to be positive about this winter? Even when we have storms here this winter that have given some of us 8-10, 11"...most don't care because it's not in their backyards. If someone wants to attack what I say on a weather point I'm all for it. I can admit when I'm wrong. but being conservative will be effective MOST of the time, the last winter or two aside. That's all fine and good I get it, but it also goes to show even in the subforums it's very IMBY centric. If Will gets a 10" event and I get rain that's great...could care less. To this day nobody believes that. The only time I get frustrated and down is when forecasts actually bust and I go to bed expecting 6" of snow and wake up and get nothing. That's human nature, but I have never, ever understood the jealousy for someone else getting snow, it's childish.

PSU was fine, it got worked out. There's another poster there who violated every rule in the storm mode and nothing ever gets done. Tells people to leave (even within the region..stop posting) etc. Goes on in every forum, every thread. You guys all collectively do nothing. Same person that gets into it with MRG. Like I said...MRG got the boot from OT for much less and not in storm mode. That's what I have a hard time with.

If you guys are going to put rules in place and delete Kevin's posts that are totally harmless...why are attacks allowed to stand? Why can one member tell other members to go away and not post and that's tolerated? That's what I've never understood.

Why does someone like MRG out of OT which is supposed to be the undiscovered country and others on main threads in storm mode can be incredible disruptive? Again on talking about Hoff at all...he's cool. I just have a real hard time with the double standard, and rules being posted that don't get followed.

That happens so often it';s beyond ridiculous. Just let the fellas be the fellas.

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If you think us busting Tips balls is even remotely serious you do not have a grasp on our dynamic. I think you have fully made your point about regionality and all of us agree, but lay off Bob, it's not his region. Baroclinic took care of it.

No I know..I know you guys were joking but for a moment it got a bit testy and someone reading that outside of the region may not have known what to make of it. I enjoy everything Tip writes and some of it is downright hysterical...cosmic dildo.

I was on Bob because of his comment when he had no idea what actually happened down there. We were told we had to change...there was even a subtle warning/rumbling of our subforum being removed. I just find that odd because we're following the rules, others don't seem to be.

Far as I know CT is a met student, will be a red tagger not far down the road. He didn't deserve that crap, and when Usetobe and others get the same stuff in other subregions...it's probably time the mods actually fully adopt the rules they lay out. That's all I'm saying.

Bob just agreed with me, and I know he and I agree on all of this stuff. The back and forth had to end, but if we had to change here, so should all the other regions.

Bob...sorry for flipping out. I just think your comment was poorly timed.

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