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Gastonwxman

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I find this forum extremely amusing. The nihilist in me I guess.

I like snow, but holy $&@/t, I can't imagine putting so much of my soul and time, into sitting in front of a screen wishing some super computer spits out some fleeting hope of wintry weather as you folks do.

That being said. It is kind of crazy, that we are looking at a winter without a single friggin snow flake falling in Charlotte. Crazy.

Personally, I've already seen a foot of snow fall over a few days when I ws in colorado last week, which was cool. And I'm going to Utah Ina few weeks andmhopingmto catch a big dump when im there,,but i guess it's still more exciting to,get 3 inches in Charlotte than a foot out west.

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Personally, I've already seen a foot of snow fall over a few days when I ws in colorado last week, which was cool. And I'm going to Utah Ina few weeks andmhopingmto catch a big dump when im there,,but i guess it's still more exciting to,get 3 inches in Charlotte than a foot out west.

The bolded statement sums up why I would never consider moving up north just because of snow. It is the novelty of southern snow that really makes it special. It's more exciting to see 3" of snow at Atlanta than 12" at NYC. Also, it's more exciting to see 1" of snow at Savannah than 3" at Atlanta.

I'm thinking the start of tonight's shut-eye will precede the start of tonight's 0Z Doc. Night night.

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It was time to wave the white flag night before last ....

Hate to say it guys, but the fact is that 50/50 low was a *key* component in us getting enough cold air transported into central NC and it looks like with it not being as strong as previously modeled that it's time to waive the white flag on this one. I just don't see us getting anything wintry of any significance out of it here in central NC. It's a closer call than a lot of folks who haven't been following it closely will realize, but close won't heal our wounds this winter :cry:.

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It sucks that this one is probably not going to work out because I have a feeling this will be the only chance for the winter for most of us. It is just unbelievable how this entire winter front to back has been such an awful pattern with virtually no break. Funny how it never happens in the opposite mode.

What a depressing, miserable, horrific, abysmal, disappointing, exasperating, pathetic excuse for a winter.

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It sucks that this one is probably not going to work out because I have a feeling this will be the only chance for the winter for most of us. It is just unbelievable how this entire winter front to back has been such an awful pattern with virtually no break. Funny how it never happens in the opposite mode.

What a depressing, miserable, horrific, abysmal, disappointing, exasperating, pathetic excuse for a winter.

It did last year just not for the SE...I am the eternal optimist but I agree. It old folks at work if it didn't happen this week it was probably not going to happen at all. If we get blanked on even just a flurry....WOW.

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So true, & I am not saying I want them to get skunked. I hope they get a good wallop as we all have suffered. It just stings a little more with this set up i guess.

Agreed, I hope someone get's a big storm on the EC, it does suck it was a good setup, especially for your neck of the woods.

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I guess you're talking about my post? I said NW NC but I suppose I should have said far NW NC...I also clarified that it probably wouldn't happen.

Johnathon:

Your boss called and asked us to relay this message:

Could you please get off of the internet and get some work done today? The Info Tech guys are calling her complaining of constant connectivity to a site called http://www.americanweather.com and 95% of the company's bandwidth is being used by your connection.

:ee:

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I know I'm ranting a bit this morning, but the out-of-touch-with-reality optimism on this board is driving me crazy. It didn't use to be this way, but the last couple winter it seems like folks just immediately latch on to the best-case scenario and ignore data that doesn't fit (in my business we call this "not letting the story mess up a good headline).

So, regarding this latest map, not only is your point about timing important, but the pesky boundary layer is also a problem -- AND HAS BEEN THIS ENTIRE STORM!. Yes, sometimes CAD is undermodeled and we can assume that the BL situation will improve, but for heaven's sake, most of the time models showed the surface 0c line in Pennsylvania!

This latest map shows that it never crosses the mountains -- so we have a 6-hour delay with surface temps above 0c and light precip and the maps shows snow?

No, it doesn't.

Nobody likes tracking winter storms more than me and I understand that "hope" is part of the equation. And the truth is, we all spent more on this system than we normally would have because the winter has been so crappy. But there is a difference between optimism and delusion. I think -- for the last winter or two -- this board has crossed that line.

Of course, some poeple may prefer it that way -- but what I prefer is a hopeful, optimistic and REALISTIC look at what is MOST LIKELY to happen, not what may happen if everything goes right, plus some more luck.

Rant over.

Stop beating around the bush and sugar coating it skip, tell us how you feel, we're listening :)

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I know I'm ranting a bit this morning, but the out-of-touch-with-reality optimism on this board is driving me crazy. It didn't use to be this way, but the last couple winter it seems like folks just immediately latch on to the best-case scenario and ignore data that doesn't fit (in my business we call this "not letting the story mess up a good headline).

So, regarding this latest map, not only is your point about timing important, but the pesky boundary layer is also a problem -- AND HAS BEEN THIS ENTIRE STORM!. Yes, sometimes CAD is undermodeled and we can assume that the BL situation will improve, but for heaven's sake, most of the time models showed the surface 0c line in Pennsylvania!

This latest map shows that it never crosses the mountains -- so we have a 6-hour delay with surface temps above 0c and light precip and the maps shows snow?

No, it doesn't.

Nobody likes tracking winter storms more than me and I understand that "hope" is part of the equation. And the truth is, we all spent more on this system than we normally would have because the winter has been so crappy. But there is a difference between optimism and delusion. I think -- for the last winter or two -- this board has crossed that line.

Of course, some poeple may prefer it that way -- but what I prefer is a hopeful, optimistic and REALISTIC look at what is MOST LIKELY to happen, not what may happen if everything goes right, plus some more luck.

Rant over.

Sums up my thoughts exactly.

I will be up in NW NC west of Boone this weekend though, so I will cheerfully accept whatever miracle flakes happen to fall.

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I know I'm ranting a bit this morning, but the out-of-touch-with-reality optimism on this board is driving me crazy. It didn't use to be this way, but the last couple winter it seems like folks just immediately latch on to the best-case scenario and ignore data that doesn't fit (in my business we call this "not letting the story mess up a good headline).

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Nobody likes tracking winter storms more than me and I understand that "hope" is part of the equation. And the truth is, we all spent more on this system than we normally would have because the winter has been so crappy. But there is a difference between optimism and delusion. I think -- for the last winter or two -- this board has crossed that line.

Of course, some poeple may prefer it that way -- but what I prefer is a hopeful, optimistic and REALISTIC look at what is MOST LIKELY to happen, not what may happen if everything goes right, plus some more luck.

Rant over.

(I'm responding to a post on the storm thread over here in the banter thread.)

On the flip side, banal pessimism can also be annoying. (I'm not pointing at you, per se, beanskip.) I get tired of reading posts that only say, "Too bad, it's not going to snow," or "Epic fail about to occur," or "It's impossible for snow to occur because of..." I choose to be optimistic the entire time. It's just my personality, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Meteorology is still quite the inexact science. Granted, it's gotten a lot better with the advent of better technology and higher resolution computer models, yet there are still many unknowns. It's the the thrill of the unknown variables that make the chase that much more exciting, in my opinion. So, I continue to look for the potential in each model run that comes out. Sure, that potential for winter weather might be small, but as long as there is any glimmer of a chance from any model (take the CMC for the time being), I'll still hope for the best. I'll usually wind up with nothing for my troubles, but I'm fine with that.

I think there are quite a few people on this board who enjoy tracking winter storms just as much as you do. And we each have our methods. Embrace the diversity. It's cool.

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