ohleary Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 From an email today: Anybody who wonders whether the "good old days" are gone for quality arctic air should take a look at what's going on up in Alaska. It's been a very cold January for the interior of Alaska, with Fairbanks' average high temperature for the last 7 days of -18F, 19 degrees below normal. The highlight may turn out to be the observations from the Jim River DOT site near Prospect Creek AK, which reported -79F around 18:30 UTC on 28 January before they stopped reporting, with the temperature steadily falling. We are missing data from 1850 UTC until 03Z on the 30th. Quality control on these obs is unknown. Prospect Creek holds the record for coldest place in the United States (-80 F on 23 January 1971). Credit to Mark Albright (U. Washington) for bringing these observations to light. 28 JMTA2 cw 1420 -75 -88 0 0 30.36 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1435 -77 -89 0 0 30.36 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1450 -75 -88 0 0 30.35 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1605 -77 -89 0 0 30.34 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1635 -77 -89 0 0 30.33 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1651 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1705 -77 -89 0 0 30.33 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1720 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1750 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1805 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1820 -79 -92 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1835 -79 -92 0 0 30.32 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1850 30.32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmagan Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 06Z Tuesday Alaska Observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestMichigan Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 From an email today: Anybody who wonders whether the "good old days" are gone for quality arctic air should take a look at what's going on up in Alaska. It's been a very cold January for the interior of Alaska, with Fairbanks' average high temperature for the last 7 days of -18F, 19 degrees below normal. The highlight may turn out to be the observations from the Jim River DOT site near Prospect Creek AK, which reported -79F around 18:30 UTC on 28 January before they stopped reporting, with the temperature steadily falling. We are missing data from 1850 UTC until 03Z on the 30th. Quality control on these obs is unknown. Prospect Creek holds the record for coldest place in the United States (-80 F on 23 January 1971). Credit to Mark Albright (U. Washington) for bringing these observations to light. 28 JMTA2 cw 1420 -75 -88 0 0 30.36 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1435 -77 -89 0 0 30.36 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1450 -75 -88 0 0 30.35 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1605 -77 -89 0 0 30.34 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1635 -77 -89 0 0 30.33 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1651 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1705 -77 -89 0 0 30.33 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1720 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1750 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1805 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1820 -79 -92 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1835 -79 -92 0 0 30.32 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1850 30.32 Any chance of the NWS taking this thermometer and placing it in a temp chamber and seeing what the real temeprature is when it reads -79°F? That would solve the quality control problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 This was a Davis Vantage 2 personal weather station. They're only rated down to -40F/C. Even if this had kept recording and reached the -80F record, it would not be official. Either way, obviously some very cold and record-breaking air in Alaska. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riptide Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I know I'm going to get blasted for this post. True arctic air in the conus seems like a distant memory because the magnetic north pole has shifted (over Siberia), and also because of the predomininant +AO pattern (it is currently negative though). You can debate it all day and night but the entire conus has been consistently above average (except for the west coast). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 From an email today: Anybody who wonders whether the "good old days" are gone for quality arctic air should take a look at what's going on up in Alaska. It's been a very cold January for the interior of Alaska, with Fairbanks' average high temperature for the last 7 days of -18F, 19 degrees below normal. The highlight may turn out to be the observations from the Jim River DOT site near Prospect Creek AK, which reported -79F around 18:30 UTC on 28 January before they stopped reporting, with the temperature steadily falling. We are missing data from 1850 UTC until 03Z on the 30th. Quality control on these obs is unknown. Prospect Creek holds the record for coldest place in the United States (-80 F on 23 January 1971). Credit to Mark Albright (U. Washington) for bringing these observations to light. 28 JMTA2 cw 1420 -75 -88 0 0 30.36 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1435 -77 -89 0 0 30.36 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1450 -75 -88 0 0 30.35 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1605 -77 -89 0 0 30.34 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1635 -77 -89 0 0 30.33 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1651 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1705 -77 -89 0 0 30.33 RH=39 28 JMTA2 cw 1720 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1750 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1805 -77 -90 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1820 -79 -92 0 0 30.33 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1835 -79 -92 0 0 30.32 RH=38 28 JMTA2 cw 1850 30.32 PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FAIRBANKS AK 252 PM AKST MON JAN 30 2012 ...CLARIFICATION OF TEMPERATURES FROM JIM RIVER DOT CAMP... TEMPERATURES THIS PAST WEEKEND AT THE ALASKA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION JIM RIVER MAINTENANCE CAMP AT MILE 138 DALTON HIGHWAY...STATION JMTA2...HAVE BEEN REPORTED AS LOW AS 79 BELOW. THE TEMPERATURES ARE NOT CORRECT. THE WEATHER STATION IN USE AT THE JIM RIVER DOT CAMP IS A PERSONAL WEATHER STATION THAT IS NOT RATED FOR TEMPERATURE COLDER THAN 40 BELOW. THE UNREALISTICALLY LOW TEMPERATURES ARE BELIEVED TO BE A FUNCTION OF THE BATTERY FAILING AT VERY LOW TEMPERATURES. THERE ARE NO OFFICIAL...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE STANDARD... TEMPERATURE MEASUREMENTS AT JIM RIVER DOT CAMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 True arctic air in the conus seems like a distant memory because the magnetic north pole has shifted (over Siberia), First question. Link to something legitimate saying the magnetic pole is now Siberia? The pole has moved toward the Pole and might reach Siberia in 10-20 years if the trends continue, but it is NOT in Siberia now. Second question. What does that have to do with arctic air reaching the CONUS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I know I'm going to get blasted for this post. True arctic air in the conus seems like a distant memory because the magnetic north pole has shifted (over Siberia), and also because of the predomininant +AO pattern (it is currently negative though). You can debate it all day and night but the entire conus has been consistently above average (except for the west coast). More like parts of the south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riptide Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 First question. Link to something legitimate saying the magnetic pole is now Siberia? The pole has moved toward the Pole and might reach Siberia in 10-20 years if the trends continue, but it is NOT in Siberia now. Second question. What does that have to do with arctic air reaching the CONUS? Well, you asking me to get into a bunch of theories relating to stratospheric warming that are beyond my expertise. The magnetic field greatly influences our weather patterns. The cause and effect rule should be enough to suffice. As for the movement of magnetic north, it has been shifting for years like you say. It may not be in Siberia but it is rapidly accelerating and will arrive there in less than 10 years. We also don't know if it will continue accelerating or stabilize. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Magnetic_Pole Also, the mass sightings of aurora borealis at low laditudes are linked to the movement of the magnetic north pole. That's good observational evidence. How the magnetic field influences weather. http://www.viewzone.com/magnetic.weather.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 The magnetic field greatly influences our weather patterns. The cause and effect rule should be enough to suffice. Huh? Saying it is so does not make it so. As for the movement of magnetic north, it has been shifting for years like you say. It may not be in Siberia but it is rapidly accelerating and will arrive there in less than 10 years. We also don't know if it will continue accelerating or stabilize. http://en.wikipedia....h_Magnetic_Pole It it keeps going in a straight line at the same rate it's moved in the last 10 years. That's hardly a foregone conclusion. Also, the mass sightings of aurora borealis at low laditudes are linked to the movement of the magnetic north pole. That's good observational evidence. If the magnetic pole is moving to HIGHER latitudes, than the auroral oval should follow the pole. The only reason the auroral oval would move south is if there was a solar storm of sufficient strength. That really hasn't happened since 2003 or so. The strength of Earth's dipole has not significantly strengthened or weakened. How the magnetic field influences weather. http://www.viewzone....ic.weather.html Yes, there's been a couple papers linking cosmic rays to cloud formation and thus to CLIMATE. CLIMATE =/ WEATHER! I'll also say those linkages are highly suspect amongst much of the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riptide Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Mabye you didn't understand what I was trying to convey. The cause and effect rule implies that the weather has changed because the magnetic north pole has moved from a prior position where the weather pattern was different. I know this kind of a flawed comparison but if the magnetic pole is important as some theorists believe in dictating weather, it's worth considering. Where is Bethesdaboy when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 The cause and effect rule implies that the weather has changed because the magnetic north pole has moved from a prior position where the weather pattern was different. Sounds much more like the "coincedence rule" than cause and effect. The Orioles were competitive in the mid 90's before the magnetic pole began to move and they haven't been since. Obviously the Orioles success is dictated by motion of the magnetic pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 The magnetic North Pole doesn't change the actual North Pole, the axis of the Earth's rotation, and the place that spends the most time in the dark during the Northern Hemisphere Winter, does it? I wouldn't think it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 The magnetic North Pole doesn't change the actual North Pole, the axis of the Earth's rotation, and the place that spends the most time in the dark during the Northern Hemisphere Winter, does it? I wouldn't think it would. that's what I was thinking...as far as it effecting weather patterns is over my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sounds much more like the "coincedence rule" than cause and effect. The Orioles were competitive in the mid 90's before the magnetic pole began to move and they haven't been since. Obviously the Orioles success is dictated by motion of the magnetic pole. Ahaha awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 that's what I was thinking...as far as it effecting weather patterns is over my head... Yea magnetic pole solely deals with the magnetic field around the earth, nothing to do with the tilt of the earth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman56 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 NOAK49 PAFG 311412 PNSAFG AKZ222-010215- PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FAIRBANKS AK 512 AM AKST TUE JAN 31 2012 ...A COLD JANUARY FOR JUST ABOUT ALL OF NORTHERN ALASKA... ALL OF NORTHERN ALASKA WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A PERSISTENTLY COLD AIR MASS THIS JANUARY. WHEN THE TEMPERATURE RECORDS GET CALCULATED AT THE END OF THE MONTH SEVERAL COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE THEIR COLDEST JANUARY ON RECORD. THE COLDEST TEMPERATURE DEPARTURES FROM NORMAL LIKELY OCCURRED ACROSS THE WESTERN INTERIOR WHERE THE SKY WAS MORE PERSISTENTLY CLEAR...WHICH ALLOWED TEMPERATURES TO REMAIN VERY LOW FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME. AT NOME...THIS JANUARY WILL LIKELY END UP AS THE COLDEST ON RECORD. THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF -15.4 DEGREES THROUGH YESTERDAY MAKES THIS THE COLDEST JANUARY ON RECORD. TEMPERATURE RECORDS AT NOME DATE BACK TO 1907. AT KOTZEBUE...THIS JANUARY LOOKS TO END AS THE 2ND COLDEST SINCE 1929. THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF -21.9 DEGREES IS THE COLDEST SINCE 1934 WHEN THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE WAS -27.7 DEGREES. CONTINUOUS TEMPERATURE RECORDS AT KOTZEBUE DATE BACK TO 1929. AT BARROW...THIS JANUARY IS EXPECTED TO END UP AS THE COLDEST SINCE 1990 WITH AN AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF -20.1 DEGREES THROUGH YESTERDAY. THE MONTH WILL NOT END UP AS ONE OF THE TOP TEN COLDEST. CONTINUOUS RECORDS AT BARROW DATE BACK TO 1921. AT GALENA...THIS JANUARY WILL BE THE COLDEST ON RECORD. THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF -33.5 DEGREES THROUGH YESTERDAY WILL EASILY ENSURE THAT THIS JANUARY SURPASS THE -31.4 DEGREES THAT WAS OBSERVED IN 1971. WEATHER RECORDS AT GALENA DATE BACK TO 1942. AT BETTLES...THIS JANUARY WILL END UP AS THE COLDEST ON RECORD. THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF -35 DEGREES THROUGH YESTERDAY WILL SURPASS THE OLD RECORD OF -34 DEGREES ALSO IN 1971. THE RECORDS AT BETTLES DATE BACK TO 1951. AT FAIRBANKS...THIS JANUARY WILL LIKELY GO DOWN IN THE RECORD BOOKS AS THE 5TH COLDEST ON RECORD WITH AN AVERAGE TEMPERATURE OF -26.7 DEGREES THROUGH YESTERDAY. TEMPERATURE DATA AT FAIRBANKS DATES BACK TO 1904. IT IS LIKELY THAT MANY COMMUNITIES IN WESTERN ALASKA...AND ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE WESTERN INTERIOR HAD THEIR COLDEST JANUARY ON RECORD. THERE WILL BE MORE DETAILS ON THE COLD JANUARY EARLY NEXT MONTH. $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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