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February Winter Storm Prospects


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Maybe some flakes on the back end of a surface low offshore at 120 hr on the Euro.

In the medium range it looks to be pushing the west coast ridge east very fast like the other globals -- and will probably wind up elongating the shortwave.

threat fail. :cry:

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Lol..snowing at 174 from a Miller B. Our shortwave was completely cutoff from the flow and is sitting underneath the PNA ridge. Pretty funny map at H5.

Yea odd looking I just checked it out. Just cuts off the SW from the rest of the flow and keeps it hanging behind.

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The energy that the euro cutoff and hangs back is still there at 240. In fact it begins to now turn and progress north. Just seems funky looking to me, especially with the pattern at H5 and block. And for some reason the northern stream shortwave progresses east into the block. Very odd looking overall, doesn't make much sense.

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Lol..snowing at 174 from a Miller B. Our shortwave was completely cutoff from the flow and is sitting underneath the PNA ridge. Pretty funny map at H5.

yes and if that didn't happen i think we would be dealing with a much different storm system then a late developing miller B.

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yes and if that didn't happen i think we would be dealing with a much different storm system then a late developing miller B.

Also the euro doesn't really have a dominant northern shortwave that drops down to phase with the sw. It does have a weak impulse but that kinda scoots by very quickly and stays well north, doesn't dive south at all. So the euro is relying predominantly on the sw, which does not really budge. Lot's of different solutions from all the guidance. Struggling with all these elements and there interaction with one another.

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HPC has no confidence fri - sat yet:

EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD

148 PM EST SAT JAN 28 2012

VALID 12Z TUE JAN 31 2012 - 12Z SAT FEB 04 2012

MEDIUM RANGE GUIDANCE STILL SHOWS CONSIDERABLE SPREAD IN THE

EVOLUTION OF INDIVIDUAL BUNDLES OF SHRTWV ENERGY WITHIN AND AHEAD

OF AN EVOLVING MEAN TROF EXPECTED TO PUSH INTO THE ERN STATES BY

LATE NEXT WEEK... LEADING TO UNCERTAINTY IN THE TRACK/STRENGTH OF

ONE OR MORE SFC WAVES THAT MAY AFFECT PORTIONS OF THE ERN HALF OF

THE CONUS DURING THE PERIOD. FURTHER ISSUES ARE INDICATED WITH

ERN PAC ENERGY THAT MAY BEGIN TO INTRUDE UPON THE RIDGE BUILDING

OVER WRN NOAM BY MID-LATE WEEK... WITH THE SHAPE OF THE WRN RIDGE

IN TURN AFFECTING THE ORIENTATION OF THE ERN TROF AS OF FRI-SAT.

AHEAD OF THE DEVELOPING CNTRL-ERN MEAN TROF... THE GFS IS A SLOW

EXTREME COMPARED TO MOST OTHER GUIDANCE INCLUDING THE GEFS MEAN

WITH LOW PRESSURE FCST TO TRACK THRU THE UPR GRTLKS/NEW ENGLAND

DURING THE FIRST HALF OF THE FCST. LATEST ECMWF RUNS ALONG WITH

THE GEFS MEAN/12Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN COMPRISE THE MAJORITY SOLN

CLUSTER THAT IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO CONTINUITY.

FARTHER WWD 00Z MODEL RUNS AND 00Z GEFS/12Z ECMWF-CANADIAN

ENSEMBLE MEANS GENERALLY AGREE UPON A POSITIVE TILT ORIENTATION OF

ENERGY WITHIN THE CNTRL CONUS MEAN TROF BY DAY 5 THU... LEADING TO

A FLAT/WEAK DEPICTION OF SFC LOW PRESSURE FROM THE MS VLY INTO THE

WRN ATLC. THIS SCENARIO IS IN CONTRAST TO AT LEAST THE PAST

COUPLE OF ECMWF RUNS THAT HAD EJECTED A NEUTRAL TILT SHRTWV TO

GENERATE DEEP LOW PRESSURE OFF THE NERN COAST LATE IN THE WEEK.

THE DEEPER SCENARIO IS WITHIN THE ENSEMBLE SPREAD BUT NOW APPEARS

SUFFICIENTLY IN THE MINORITY... ASIDE FROM THE OUT OF PHASE

UKMET... NOT TO GIVE TOO MUCH WEIGHT IN A DETERMINISTIC FCST. THE

GFS COMPARES ACCEPTABLY TO THE CONSENSUS EVOLUTION ALOFT OVER THE

CNTRL CONUS AROUND WED-FRI BUT A FARTHER EWD TRACK OF A NERN PAC

CLOSED LOW NEARING THE SERN AK COAST AROUND THU ULTIMATELY LEADS

TO GREATER AMPLIFICATION OF CANADIAN FLOW INTO THE ERN CONUS TROF

BY LATE IN THE PERIOD. BY DAY 7 SAT THE RESULTING SHRTWV IN THE

GFS IS SHARPER AND MORE AMPLIFIED THAN MOST OTHER SOLNS.

BASED ON CONSENSUS LEANING AWAY FROM THE GFS FOR THE SYSTEM

CROSSING THE GRTLKS/NORTHEAST DURING THE FIRST HALF OF THE

PERIOD... AND FOR THE SRN PART OF THE ERN TROF BY DAY 7 SAT...

DAYS 3-7 START WITH A NEARLY EVEN BLEND OF THE 00Z ECMWF/00Z GEFS

MEAN/12Z ECMWF MEAN. THE GREATER EMPHASIS ON ENSEMBLE MEANS

DOWNPLAYS THE VARIOUS SHRTWV DETAILS THAT HAVE MINIMAL

PREDICTABILITY IN THIS TIME FRAME.

...UPDATED MORNING PRELIMS...BASED UPON THE SAME THINKING AS

DISCUSSED ABOVE BUT WITH THE ADDITIONAL ADVANTAGE OF 00Z ECMWF ENS

MEANS/LAGGED AVERAGE FORECASTS AND 06Z GFS. THE BLEND IS MODIFIED

AND SIMPLIFIED TO A 00Z ECMWF/00Z ECMWF ENS MEAN WEIGHTED MORE

TOWARDS THE OPERATIONAL 00Z ECMWF THRU DAY 5 THURS THEN AN EVEN

BLEND OF ECMWF AND ECMWF ENS MEANS DAYS 6 AND 7 FRI/SAT. THE

UNCERTAINTIES AND LACK OF CONFIDENCE REMAIN AND INCREASE IN TIME

THRU THE PERIOD WITH A WIDE MODEL AND ENSEMBLE SPREAD ESPECIALLY

DAYS 6 AND 7.

TELECONNECTIONS BASED ON A PREVAILING NEG HT ANOMALY IN THE NERN

PACIFIC INDICATE DOWNSTREAM WRN CONUS RIDGING AND A MEAN ERN CONUS

TROF. HOWEVER THE ECMWF KEEPS ITS NEG HTS ANOMALY CENTER IN THE

CENTRAL ALEUTIANS WHILE THE GFS CENTER IS TOWARDS THE NORTHWEST

OVER NRN KAMCHATKA. WHILE THIS RESULTS IN A SIMILAR PATTERN THE

MORE AMPLIFIED ECMWF DOES NOT CORRESPOND WELL WITH ITS

TELECONNECTION LOCATION SUGGESTING DOWNSTREAM OVER AMPLIFICATION.

..AFTN FINALS...AVAILABLE 12Z MODEL GUIDANCE OF GFS/CMC/ECMWF AND

TO A LESSER EXTENT UKMET INDICATE STRONGER WRN CONUS RIDGING WITH

ITS AXIS WESTWARD OR PRIOR RUNS AND A DEEPER TROF OR POSSIBLE

CLOSED TO CUTOFF LOW WELL WESTWARD OF PRIOR RUNS WITH MID LEVEL

BASE CLOSE OFF IN THE SOUTHWEST. 12Z GEFS IS NOT ESPECIALLY

SUPPORTIVE OF THAT SOLUTION WITH ITS MEAN AXIS CLOSER TO THE 00Z

ECMWF ENS MEAN. ONLY SUBTLE MINOR CHANGES MADE TO 12Z FINALS WITH

LOW TO NO CONFIDENCE DAYS 6 AND 7 FRI/SAT.

RAUSCH/ROSENSTEIN

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