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February storm threat discussion


Ellinwood

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The storm the GFS shows is a good example of what can happen if the PV diving south does a big turn-about on the pattern...it flips the NAO negative while a cold air mass is already in place...that is a classic Archambault event...but of course, the models have been handling the PV so pathetically that you might as well throw darts to figure out what will happen with it.

HM has definitely been correct at how pathetically inconsistent the model guidance has been during this transition. Its probably the worst we have seen in the past 3 or 4 winters that I can remember.

HM mentioned that too....and yes the models haven't been of much use

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which is why I said weenie alert

there is zero skill at that range with a specific storm

the euro and gfs are quite different early week into mid week of course. who knows. i think this is a "smarter" solution to hope for than a gulf of mex miller a.

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the euro and gfs are quite different early week into mid week of course. who knows. i think this is a "smarter" solution to hope for than a gulf of mex miller a.

Its definitely a more reasonable solution for DC than hoping the gulf system interacts with the arctic front just right a couple days prior...that threat is probably more of a NE threat anyway since it might not interact the gulf at all and be northern stream dominated...and will probably just miss everyone.

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the euro and gfs are quite different early week into mid week of course. who knows. i think this is a "smarter" solution to hope for than a gulf of mex miller a.

We arent going to get any big complex slowly traverse across the country and plow into a deep stable trough....So I think the model watchhing beyond day 4 is more just for fun....I think the 2006 storm the JMA was the 1st to pick it up and it was day 6 or so...I think the indications of a big event and some consensus was at day 4-5 and that was considered well forecast....

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Its definitely a more reasonable solution for DC than hoping the gulf system interacts with the arctic front just right a couple days prior...that threat is probably more of a NE threat anyway since it might not interact the gulf at all and be northern stream dominated...and will probably just miss everyone.

First time I've been at all interested in anything at range even if it's a fantasy. I've pretty much written off the weekend threat tho.. Perhaps too soon. It fits with what we've seen work better tho of course it's supercharged. I think last yr burned too much with more pure coastals to have any faith in that for now..

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We arent going to get any big complex slowly traverse across the country and plow into a deep stable trough....So I think the model watchhing beyond day 4 is more just for fun....I think the 2006 storm the JMA was the 1st to pick it up and it was day 6 or so...I think the indications of a big event and some consensus was at day 4-5 and that was considered well forecast....

Well I don't expect it that's for sure heh. But I'd rather take my chances on that type look even with half the QPF.

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We arent going to get any big complex slowly traverse across the country and plow into a deep stable trough....So I think the model watchhing beyond day 4 is more just for fun....I think the 2006 storm the JMA was the 1st to pick it up and it was day 6 or so...I think the indications of a big event and some consensus was at day 4-5 and that was considered well forecast....

The Euro choked really bad on that storm...one of the few KU's that the Euro choked on almost the entire way.

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why?....wasn't it a pretty straightforward event?...did the euro have it OTS?...I don't remember

Pretty much..it had a scraper event...like advisory for the coast for almost every run except one I think. It way too far SE. One of the only KUs I remember where it really bit the big one.

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Pretty much..it had a scraper event...like advisory for the coast for almost every run except one I think. It way too far SE. One of the only KUs I remember where it really bit the big one.

I remember that. It never really caught on. The Gfs and Jma had the same solution locked from Wednesday till storm started

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I remember that. It never really caught on. The Gfs and Jma had the same solution locked from Wednesday till storm started

The JMA is probably going to have to be inducted into the HOF of models just because of how often it shows huge KU events...so every time it verifies, it looks good but everyone forgets all the times it showed it and it didn't happen. Its the equivalent of the pitcher in baseball who pitched in like 20 World Series game 7s and won 6 of them so he is amazing, but everyone forgets the time he lost the other 14. Obviously there is no such pitcher, but that is what the JMA would be.

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The JMA is probably going to have to be inducted into the HOF of models just because of how often it shows huge KU events...so every time it verifies, it looks good but everyone forgets all the times it showed it and it didn't happen. Its the equivalent of the pitcher in baseball who pitched in like 20 World Series game 7s and won 6 of them so he is amazing, but everyone forgets the time he lost the other 14. Obviously there is no such pitcher, but that is what the JMA would be.

Lol since it does show alot of big storms all the time it's almost always first to pick them up. Also if JMA does not have a big event...it's a good sign there won't be one period

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