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February storm threat discussion


Ellinwood

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these things are almost always early in and early out

Ian, I definitely agree with the orientation of the cyclonic vorticity being perpendicular to the heights. Although, I must admit, I only eyeballed the 500mb vort maps and didn't plot differential vorticity advection or anything.

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True especially when the vort goes to your north leaving you out of the comma head.

around here we have a hard time getting in it either way.. n md/s pa better i guess. the gfs vort is stronger at least.

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So BNA at 33... PIT 45... PHL at 51.. thats a weird vort track...

Part of that is a result of the mountains and how vorticity tracks across them. There is something called CAV trajectories that explain such a track. they tend to swing north on the west side of mountains and then swing back south a little on the east side if I remember my dynamics correctly.

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around here we have a hard time getting in it either way.. n md/s pa better i guess. the gfs vort is stronger at least.

Its really not preferable that the vort is in PIT, love how it went past BNA though as Wes mentioned, there will need to be some more examining of this as per the usual this winter where we don't nail it down until game time. I know you don't like vorts that don't go south of us, and I agree, we need that "comma head" type feature mentioned by Wes, both to get the better rates that lead to Justin Berk "stickage" as well as a cooler column and lower SFC temps. NAM had that comma head type stuff hitting us, we'll see what the upcoming Euro and 6/12z suites have to say.

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Its really not preferable that the vort is in PIT, love how it went past BNA though as Wes mentioned, there will need to be some more examining of this as per the usual this winter where we don't nail it down until game time. I know you don't like vorts that don't go south of us, and I agree, we need that "comma head" type feature mentioned by Wes, both to get the better rates that lead to Justin Berk "stickage" as well as a cooler column and lower SFC temps. NAM had that comma head type stuff hitting us, we'll see what the upcoming Euro and 6/12z suites have to say.

i'd like to see the nam shift south still heh. ;)

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of course, you and those vorts Ian! :)

what's up with the trailing one? it sorta likes mt then moves then likes mt.. the nam leaves part of it behind. maybe it's not important though trailing vorts have been our nemesis for 2 winters.

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Looks nice but could as well be 100 days away. The Euro will probably show 70 and sunny.

The storm the GFS shows is a good example of what can happen if the PV diving south does a big turn-about on the pattern...it flips the NAO negative while a cold air mass is already in place...that is a classic Archambault event...but of course, the models have been handling the PV so pathetically that you might as well throw darts to figure out what will happen with it.

HM has definitely been correct at how pathetically inconsistent the model guidance has been during this transition. Its probably the worst we have seen in the past 3 or 4 winters that I can remember.

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