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February storm threat discussion


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You'll have a better chance in this one than the last one I think. I remember telling zwyts in the last one that he would probably switch over between 06z and 12z but the event never produced steady precip past early evening, so it wasn't able to happen.

In this one (at least as it looks right now), the WBZ heights are much much lower so any steady precip should get it over to snow very quickly in the IAD region, and it shouldn't take that much longer to get DCA in the snow if it can come down steady and we don't have a south wind...there's some slight differences in models in what the wind will be doing near the sfc...NAM is best case scenario...Euro and GFS try and keep it more south early on albeit very light. It could mean more of a 35F snow/rain mix or non-accumulating snow for a bit if that happens, or even RA- if it can't come down steady enough. But even the Euro looked like it would probably end as some snow in the city.

If the event trends weaker with precip and omega, then of course all bets are off and it will be worse in the BL too.

I think that is an important point. I could see the nam temp profiles changing if the vort ends up being weaker on one of the subsequent runs. IThat's the big cautionary note for getting too excited too early for dc propper. As you say, the soundings look good as forecast.

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I got around 1.5 out fo that one I think.

there was like 1 or maybe more good bands just south of the city. we got some accum here as the sun set but during the day it just melted. i got like .5"... tho it was an enjoyable snow to watch.

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there was like 1 or maybe more good bands just south of the city. we got some accum here as the sun set but during the day it just melted. i got like .5"... tho it was an enjoyable snow to watch.

There were, I got into one early and then another later. It was fun to watch. I could see this doing something similar though pinning down where such banding would set up can't be done at this time range with such a weak system. If the nam qpf wasn't so similar to the euro, I'd probably cut it in half.

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im not sure what it means. if the 3 area is 3 max it might not be a bad idea for now. tho that means the other is like t-1. if it's 1-3 and 3-6 i dunno.

Yes it is exactly like you thought it is max 3" in that area and max 1" in the other area. He mentioned earlier that a localized place could get up to 4".

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I think that is an important point. I could see the nam temp profiles changing if the vort ends up being weaker on one of the subsequent runs. IThat's the big cautionary note for getting too excited too early for dc propper. As you say, the soundings look good as forecast.

Yeah a steep low level sounding can get wasted with bad omega and weaker overall dynamics...but then again with weaker omega, it probably means you are just getting screwed out of a coating rather than an inch or two if the storm trends like that.

Hopefully the stronger solutions verify because it would probably be pretty good for most of the area if that happened...esp the suburbs as you and many have already mentioned. But I'd be surprised if the city didn't get accumulation if the more robust solutions verified.

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Yeah a steep low level sounding can get wasted with bad omega and weaker overall dynamics...but then again with weaker omega, it probably means you are just getting screwed out of a coating rather than an inch or two if the storm trends like that.

Hopefully the stronger solutions verify because it would probably be pretty good for most of the area if that happened...esp the suburbs as you and many have already mentioned. But I'd be surprised if the city didn't get accumulation if the more robust solutions verified.

Inside dc it's going to need a period of moderate snow which certaily could happen with the nam type vort. It will be interesting to see whether the euro holds serve and see what the gfs does.

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beware the inevitable drift north of the vort as the event nears

That's certainly another concern and a valid one. It's a good reason to hold off on putting out accumulatons this early. As Jason noted in an e-mail, take the vort north and we could have a non event. Edge it south and we could be in the sweet spot. We're still in a thread the needle type situation like we often are.

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That's certainly another concern and a valid one. It's a good reason to hold off on putting out accumulatons this early. As Jason noted in an e-mail, take the vort north and we could have a non event. Edge it south and we could be in the sweet spot. We're still in a thread the needle type situation like we often are.

i liked your email saying 12+ seems a good bet with thundersnow.

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