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February storm threat discussion


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You'd think sooner or later that something would have to go our way. It seems like it NEVER does. That blows any statistical study out of the water.

At the core, it seems like our feast or famine winters are mostly to blame. Pretty frustrating. It's been a while since we've had a "climo" winter around here. We used to have plenty. Half dozen normal events and a mix of cold/warm/normal periods throughout the season.

We've had alot more "big" storms the last 10-12 years or so but much less "normal" stuff. I'm sure some of the snow stats guys on here can either confirm or debunk that statement but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

I'd much prefer a "climo" type of winter for once. I'd gladly give up the big storm in exchange for some normalcy and sanity. I'm probably speaking for most of the forum here.

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What institution is he in?

I'm not sure where he lives, but he subscribes to the acorn theory of winter forecasting. Last September, he posted the following: "The '12/'13 winter still looks historical. There are a crop of acorns for next year that are already 3-5 times the normal size. I've never seen this in 25 years. It could mean an historical October ice/snow event for the Mid-Atlantic or an historical early freeze in September or even something that would make snowmadeggen look like a cub scout storm in the winter."

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You'd think sooner or later that something would have to go our way. It seems like it NEVER does. That blows any statistical study out of the water.

Anomalies can and do happen. We have bad winters in DC - they are pretty frequent. Weenies will 9 out of 10 times be disheartened. Just face the music.

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LC says their wrong. Larry Cosgrove..not Lauren Conrad

i had to look up lauren conrad

no offense to long range forecasters but im willing to generally let persistence let me down at this point

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Anomalies can and do happen. We have bad winters in DC - they are pretty frequent. Weenies will 9 out of 10 times be disheartened. Just face the music.

Statistically that makes no sense. You would expect just as many anomolies on the plus side as you would on the minus side. Music has nothing to do with it.

Now if you said couple this year with 09-10, that makes sense. But you can't say that a crappy winter is an anomoly AND that it happens frequently. If that were the case, it wouldn't be an anomoly, but would be the normal.

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Statistically that makes no sense. You would expect just as many anomolies on the plus side as you would on the minus side. Music has nothing to do with it.

Now if you said couple this year with 09-10, that makes sense. But you can't say that a crappy winter is an anomoly AND that it happens frequently. If that were the case, it wouldn't be an anomoly, but would be the normal.

8 of the last 10 winters were below avg in DC with two giant ones. It's fairly clear we should expect bad winters more often.

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You'd think sooner or later that something would have to go our way. It seems like it NEVER does. That blows any statistical study out of the water.

Won't be long now before we hear about sun angle and how snow can't stick, etc.

It's about over my friend. Sooner we realize it and stop hoping, the better. But we can't control ourselves. I checked the DGEX this morning. Sigh. :(

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8 of the last 10 winters were below avg in DC with two giant ones. It's fairly clear we should expect bad winters more often.

Exactly and it sucks. Feast or famine is becoming tiresome. Coastal or will (can't remember who) posted some details about why this is happening but I don't remember what was said.

Growing up in the 70's & 80's we pretty much expected some decent cold and snow every year and we were right more often that not. Now it's the other way around. I would guess it's part of some big long term cycle or oscillation. If it's a permanent "new normal" then I'm going end up spending less and less time with this hobby and focus on other things.

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You knew what she looked at, you just wanted another look :)

ha, actually didnt but not bad for sure..

Exactly and it sucks. Feast or famine is becoming tiresome. Coastal or will (can't remember who) posted some details about why this is happening but I don't remember what was said.

Growing up in the 70's & 80's we pretty much expected some decent cold and snow every year and we were right more often that not. Now it's the other way around. I would guess it's part of some big long term cycle or oscillation. If it's a permanent "new normal" then I'm going end up spending less and less time with this hobby and focus on other things.

I'm not exactly sure why tho I'd say if nothing else we'er losing more and more on the margins. Storms that would be 1-2" end up a dusting because of marginal temps etc. We don't generally get as much early or late as we used to either. Little doubt at least some of it is a warming trend over time. Plus +NAO winters have been more common in recent times I believe. We have seemed to get more k/u events in the last decade+ than prior tho.

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Statistically that makes no sense. You would expect just as many anomolies on the plus side as you would on the minus side. Music has nothing to do with it.

Now if you said couple this year with 09-10, that makes sense. But you can't say that a crappy winter is an anomoly AND that it happens frequently. If that were the case, it wouldn't be an anomoly, but would be the normal.

lol.

It's still an anomaly. You figure you have massive winters like 09-10 and then average winters and then slightly below avg winters and then a few near shutouts like this one...it's an anomaly...

Come on man...I know we are all getting antsy with this winter but you've been pretty "agitated" (wrong word). I seem to remember you as a much calmer and down to Earth poster in the past...just relax and let nature happen.

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This winter has been particularly painful for the vast majority of snow weenies from coast to coast.

This map looks more like mid Nov or mid Apr. Feb 2nd? blech! Put a dec-jan temp anom map next to this and it will make you sick enough to call in for work.

That is probably the most amazing thing about this winter. It's not just us.

I'll bet that March/April/May will be just awful.

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That is probably the most amazing thing about this winter. It's not just us.

I'll bet that March/April/May will be just awful.

One thing that can be gleaned is there is no snow on the ground in the lake effect areas and that is a stark example of having almost no polar or even cold canadian air coming down into the US. I wonder how may winters had bare ground around lake erie and ontario on Feb 2nd?

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