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February storm threat discussion


Ellinwood

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This pattern may not be snowy, but it is prtty bizzare, I'll give it that. ECMWF had the storm going west of Lake Superior, 00z GFS shoves it over Norfolk.

The southeast ridge favors a cutter but the ridging over south central canada is blocking the path on the GFS at least.

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This pattern may not be snowy, but it is prtty bizzare, I'll give it that. ECMWF had the storm going west of Lake Superior, 00z GFS shoves it over Norfolk.

The southeast ridge favors a cutter but the ridging over south central canada is blocking the path on the GFS at least.

EC has been following GFS this season more times than GFS following EC

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euro is out to 12....I think we are all collectively losing it at this point...we need something to look forward to soon

Delusion and impatience has set in...even in the NE subforum...people think the Feb 3-6 threats were really good when most of the mets specifically said they were gravy/bonus if they happened. Admittedly in a bad winter, people get antsy anytime they have to wait...and then there is no guarantee a 3-6 day window will deliver...the Euro ensemble breaking down the PNA is annoying, but it tries to build it back again at the end of its run suggesting that a wane in it would be temporary..but all of those speculations are fleeting at this time range.

I would def focus on the Feb 9-14 period and hope it works out right now and worry about the other stuff later. Bad winters bring out the worst subjective qualities in all of us...myself included even when I try to remain objective as possible.

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I think everyone wants a huge complex running into a cold dome well modeled 6-8 days in advance....and unfortunately that isn't going to happen in a Nina, especially this one....we are way too dependent on moving parts and transient features.....i think too much was staked on the upcoming pattern and too much is staked on potentially breaking it down....I think even a modest snowfall by the 15th would soothe a lot of people, certainly down here....the "good" period could end up being 2/20-3/05 or something for all I know if we are going to even get one.....We are all going to wait until the end to score the winter, but punting good periods of climo is painful and there is no way around that....

Definitely true...esp down there where March is generally a wasteland except trashcan events. Occasionally a 1999 comes around, but its rare.

But we'll probably have to wait and see how this one window turns out before jumping just yet. There are a lot of things working for a decent period...the caveats for DC will always be in place in a Nina since there is no STJ. But we also shouldn't pretend DC averages 2.5" of snow in Ninas like NYCer pretend they average 49" of snow per year...snow events happen there, and the upcoming pattern is probably a good chance for that to happen.

The uncertainty in the longevity of this period is interesting to me...we obviously hope the other ensembles outside of the Euro ensembles are correct which is generally a losing battle...but even a compromise will help a lot.

Tropical forcing suggest that any breakdown in the PNA would be fleeting...but I'm not confident in the tropical forcing forecasts either.

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