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February 2012 General Discussion


Nic

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Outside 2009, it's been a good run of snowy Februaries here lately. Looking back through history, good Februaries tend to run in bunches...for all intents and purposes. LAF area best February streaks below. Keep in mind, this isn't the snowiest place on earth. :D

1902: 12.1"

1903: 13.5"

1904: 12.2"

1905: 32.6"

1910: 10.0"

1911: 7.3"

1912: 17.2"

1913: 8.8"

1914: 18.4"

1960: 12.9"

1961: 9.0"

1962: 10.3"

1963: 12.4"

1964: 12.0"

1965: 9.8"

2007: 26.7"

2008: 18.3"

2009: 3.0"

2010: 14.0"

2011: 13.5"

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I'm surprised this isnt getting more attention right now. I have been following the GFSs pattern change with every model run. At first the deep trough was like 300 hours out. At that range its a pipe dream. We are now down to 162 hours and its still there.... best of all it survived the resolution change at 180 hours. I'm seeing this as our first non transient cold pattern, best of all it looks like MAJOR lake effect!!

Been getting my hands greasy fixing some snowmobiles and we are ready to roll on the western UP... This Feb 6th-8th timeframe major cold dump could be amazing!.

I'll be in the western UP Monday the 13th through Friday the 17th.

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I'm surprised this isnt getting more attention right now. I have been following the GFSs pattern change with every model run. At first the deep trough was like 300 hours out. At that range its a pipe dream. We are now down to 162 hours and its still there.... best of all it survived the resolution change at 180 hours. I'm seeing this as our first non transient cold pattern, best of all it looks like MAJOR lake effect!!

Been getting my hands greasy fixing some snowmobiles and we are ready to roll on the western UP... This Feb 6th-8th timeframe major cold dump could be amazing!.

I'll be in the western UP Monday the 13th through Friday the 17th.

Idk I think Warmups get more play round these parts :lol:

Can't wait for some arctic air :thumbsup:

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I believe they're essentially the same thing, as far as I know. Or you could say "permanent" ridging turns into a block.

They are sort of different animals but can have similar results at times. With EPO ridging you can get better cross polar flow and you can still have major storms etc travel up this side of the apps. With a -NAO it is harder for storms to stay on this side of the apps. You can get similar results with both though and thus storms up along the eastcoast vs this side of apps wit a -EPO. Once you get this far north a -NAO can really start to hurt the cause ( like we saw last winter here/W.MI and N.MI ) and why i don't prefer it. Like anything you have exceptions and thus see 77-78 and the blizzard. Also you can end up with above normal temps in the N.GL over into New England with a -NAO as the coldest stuff tends to get pushed further south and east and thus sometimes missing those areas and they end up with more of a flow off the warmer waters be it N.Atlantic etc. The EPO can have a much larger impact on the country as a whole vs -NAO which mainly affects areas from near the Plains/MS River on east.

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I thought it was, everyone starts ganging up on me as soon as I say one thing wrong. lol I guess I will make sure I am 100% sure on something before I post from here on out.

I think questions are good - its how you learn, especially in general topics. One word responses aren't useful though... Anyway, to answer your question... the "540 line" is just a rough rule of thumb. Though, honestly, I find it a poor indicator of ptype. The quantity doesn't measure temperature so you actually have to look at the temperature profile. More reading:

http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/148/

I'd also suggest:

http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints

I've learned quite a bit off that site and just reading posts from the more knowledgeable folks on this forum over the past several years...

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If you are above the 540 line doesn't that mean you usually are below freezing? Average temperature for my area  is 40 degrees in February. looks near or below.

You're better off looking at 850 mb temperature anomaly maps (which are avaialble at the same site you posted images from) to try to figure out if it's going to be below average but even the anomaly maps may not tell the whole story depending on the setup (shallow arctic airmass for example)

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NAEFS is showing warming into Alaska in the extended range...can only mean colder times ahead for us...

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Yup, a facebook friend in Alaska (who posts here sometimes) posted this on my fb the other day: "Will see if I can send you some energy for storms as the pattern is undergoing a major change up here....maybe I will melt my 15 inch snow pack."

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NAEFS is showing warming into Alaska in the extended range...can only mean colder times ahead for us...

Unfortunately the coldest anomolies always seem two weeks away. Almost everytime I check the Huffman weather model page, the darkest blues are in the 11-15 day range. Even this weekend is looking warm.

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Larry Cosgrove ...

"Friday looks to be very stormy across OK, TX, LA, AR with severe weather and flooding rainfall potential. As for the cold air....yes colder across the eastern two-thirds of the nation but nothing extreme. The most interesting storm threat is February 11 - 15 across the Old South, Appalachia, and the Eastern Seaboard. Milder weather returns second half of February in most of U.S."

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Larry Cosgrove ...

"Friday looks to be very stormy across OK, TX, LA, AR with severe weather and flooding rainfall potential. As for the cold air....yes colder across the eastern two-thirds of the nation but nothing extreme. The most interesting storm threat is February 11 - 15 across the Old South, Appalachia, and the Eastern Seaboard. Milder weather returns second half of February in most of U.S."

Classic tropical

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Unusually detailed long range disco from BUF. Seems superficially good, but +PNA with a PV over Hudson Bay screams cold and dry to me.

LOOKING FARTHER AHEAD...

BOTH THE GFS AND ECMWF AND MOST ENSEMBLE MEMBERS ALLOW A POLAR

VORTEX TO DEVELOP ON OUR SIDE OF THE GLOBE AND GRADUALLY SETTLE SOUTH TO HUDSON BAY BY DAY 10. THE ARCTIC OSCILLATION /AO/ IS

NEGATIVE AND IS FORECAST TO REMAIN SO FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AT

LEAST. THE PACIFIC NORTH AMERICAN TELECONNECTION /PNA/ IS FORECAST

TO REMAIN POSITIVE THROUGH THE SAME PERIOD WITH A MEAN RIDGE ALONG

THE WEST COAST AND AN UPSTREAM TROUGH OVER THE CENTRAL PACIFIC.

NORMALLY A NEGATIVE AO AND POSITIVE PNA WOULD BRING COLD TO OUR

REGION...HOWEVER THE MADDEN JULIAN OSCILLATION /MJO/ HAS BEEN STUCK IN PHASE 5 AND 6 OF THE WHEELER PHASE/SPACE PLOT THROUGH MOST OF THE WINTER...WHICH CORRELATES STRONGLY TO ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES

ACROSS THE EASTERN HALF OF THE UNITED STATES. LATEST GEFS RUNS

CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE EMERGENCE OF ANOTHER ROUND OF ACTIVE MJO

CONVECTION ACROSS THE WESTERN PACIFIC DURING THE FIRST WEEK OF

FEBRUARY...AND ALSO FORECAST THE MJO CONVECTION TO PROPAGATE EAST

THROUGH REGION 7 AND TOWARDS REGION 8 DURING THE SECOND WEEK IN

FEBRUARY.

A SIGNIFICANT SUDDEN STRATOSPHERIC WARMING EVENT JUST FINISHED UP

LAST WEEK...AND THE EFFECTS THAT HAS ON THE STRATOSPHERIC POLAR

VORTEX GRADUALLY TRICKLE DOWN TO THE TROPOSPHERE AND CAN FAVOR

DEVELOPMENT OF HIGH LATITUDE BLOCKING AND NEGATIVE AO/NAO ABOUT 3

WEEKS LATER.

IF THE MJO TRENDS AND EXPECTATIONS FOLLOWING THE STRATOSPHERIC

WARMING EVENT WERE TO VERIFY...EXPECT A TREND TOWARDS MUCH COLDER

AND MORE WINTRY WEATHER DURING THE 2ND WEEK IN FEBRUARY WHICH MAY

HAVE SOME STAYING POWER. STAY TUNED.

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Forcasters are going to have to rethink what a la Nina or el Nino really means. I have seen better winters with el Nino then this. This is the worst winter I have experienced to date in my life.

I really think its just a random set of events based off various feedbacks. Right now there's something out there, maybe snow in Asia or warmth in Nigeria that'd causing the pacific flaw to be relentless. I think the Pacific waters at the equator has next to nothing to do with this.

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Forcasters are going to have to rethink what a la Nina or el Nino really means. I have seen better winters with el Nino then this. This is the worst winter I have experienced to date in my life.

I really think its just a random set of events based off various feedbacks. Right now there's something out there, maybe snow in Asia or warmth in Nigeria that'd causing the pacific flaw to be relentless. I think the Pacific waters at the equator has next to nothing to do with this.

97-98 fwiw was awful.

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97-98 fwiw was awful.

Yeah that was bad! Rain storms in the middle of January!

Our spell of winter in January occurred when the MJO approached Phase 7. Didn't quite make it, but it shows what needs to happen to get winter back! There's a great thread on it in main forum.

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