phlwx Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Mr. Spann is the most passionate guy in what he does of anyone in his field. Who goes on a live feed an hour plus before the severe weather even reaches his viewing area? Also in the middle of the night between Sunday and Monday? Its kind of bittersweet to see him as much as we have the last couple years because he is very informative and you can learn so much but its usually bad weather when he does his thing. As for ABC saying nobody had any warning these storms where coming, that can't be used as an excuse anymore. With all the weather radios, cell phone apps, social media sites, and message boards such as this one available for use, you should at least recognize a potential or eminent threat of hazardous weather in your area. In my opinion people choose to ignore the warnings and watches and have the attitude of it won't hit me, I'm invincible. Spann is the Skilling of the South, IMO. You see someone who really is passionate about the weather when he's on air...and I think it's a credit to his employers that they give him as much latitude as they do in terms of coverage...going on live an hour before the system even reaches the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaculaWeather Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 JoMo, did you buy an underground shelter? I've looked at a few. I made a blog post yesterday about how we've been lucky here... and at some point that luck is going to run out. Atlanta is a big place that really includes 13 counties and there are a LOT of people scattered all over. All it would take is one big long track right through this area and perhaps 1000's would be killed or injured. The clock is ticking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 JoMo, did you buy an underground shelter? I've looked at a few. I made a blog post yesterday about how we've been lucky here... and at some point that luck is going to run out. Atlanta is a big place that really includes 13 counties and there are a LOT of people scattered all over. All it would take is one big long track right through this area and perhaps 1000's would be killed or injured. The clock is ticking... Nope, above ground steel. A pic and more information about it on the Joplin thread here: http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/18858-devastating-tornado-strikes-joplin-missouri/page__st__1190__p__1232754#entry1232754 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaculaWeather Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Nope, above ground steel. A pic and more information about it on the Joplin thread here: http://www.americanw...54#entry1232754 Nice, can you provide me with a link as far as where I can get one? And I know I've said this before but thank you for your tremendous reporting of the disaster there in Joplin. I know it must have been extremely difficult for you and everyone else but you were the voice of Joplin for everyone here. Glad your safe and now have a safe place to go if or when the next event happens there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Nice, can you provide me with a link as far as where I can get one? And I know I've said this before but thank you for your tremendous reporting of the disaster there in Joplin. I know it must have been extremely difficult for you and everyone else but you were the voice of Joplin for everyone here. Glad your safe and now have a safe place to go if or when the next event happens there. The one I got was from TwisterSafe since they have been producing them here for years and had at least 3 that were hit by the Joplin tornado and survived. All of them are built to exceed the FEMA specifications. There are various producers across the country that build these types of shelters. National Storm Shelter Association is probably a good place to look for shelters in your area. I see they have numerous Installer/Producers in Alabama and a producer in Georgia: http://www.nssa.cc/InstallerRoster.php http://www.nssa.cc/ProducerRoster.php This TwisterSafe was just west of the hospital that was hit, (he lost his wife in the 2008 Picher, OK tornado, they didn't have a shelter then, but when he and his daughter moved to Joplin, they got one and they were hit again but were safe inside the shelter) he has since unbolted it and moved it to his new house: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huronicane Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 ABC News will be interview James Spann this afternoon, after a very negative response to the "No Warning" statement from World News Tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QcSevereWx Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 James was very good that night. You are very lucky to have him down south. Diane Sawyer is just another in the toolbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Looks like they are going to have a story on ABC News tonight. Also, looks like the NWS has preliminary strength and tracks of the tornadoes: Note: 880 yards = 1/2 mile PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL 520 PM CST TUE JAN 24 2012 ...LONG TRACK SUPERCELLS PRODUCE MULTIPLE TORNADOES... ...CORRECTED INFORMATION FOR JEFFERSON AND ST CLAIR TORNADO... A STRONG COLD FRONT APPROACHED THE REGION SUNDAY NIGHT AND INTERACTED WITH A VERY MOIST AND UNSTABLE ENVIRONMENT ALREADY IN PLACE. NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS DEVELOPED ALONG AND OUT AHEAD OF THE FRONT ACROSS ARKANSAS AND MISSISSIPPI AND PUSHED EASTWARD ACROSS CENTRAL ALABAMA SUNDAY NIGHT AND INTO MONDAY MORNING. THERE WERE SEVERAL SUPERCELL THUNDERSTORMS THAT PRODUCED TORNADOES AS THEY TRACKED ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA. NUMEROUS REPORTS OF STRAIGHT-LINE WIND DAMAGE AND SEVERAL REPORTS OF LARGE HAIL AND FLASH FLOODING WERE ALSO RECEIVED DURING THE EVENT. DAMAGE SURVEYS ARE ONGOING TODAY AND WILL LIKELY BE NEEDED INTO WEDNESDAY. WE WILL BE SENDING THREE SURVEY TEAMS OUT TO SURVEY DAMAGE IN THE FOLLOWING COUNTIES AS TIME PERMITS TODAY...JEFFERSON...PERRY... CHILTON...ELMORE...COOSA AND TALLAPOOSA. TORNADO #1...KOFFMAN TORNADO (TUSCALOOSA COUNTY)... EVENT DATE: JANUARY 23, 2012 EVENT TYPE: EF-3 ESTIMATED PEAK WINDS (MPH): 140 INJURIES/FATALITIES: 0 EVENT START TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 33.3257/-87.6579 AT 242 AM EVENT END TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 33.3305/-87.6526 AT 243 AM DAMAGE PATH LENGTH (IN MILES): 0.45 DAMAGE WIDTH (IN YARDS): 400 WARNINGS: A TORNADO WARNING WAS IN EFFECT FROM 231 AM UNTIL 315 AM. WATCHES: TORNADO WATCH #7 WAS IN EFFECT FROM 11 PM UNTIL 6 AM. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS SURVEYED DAMAGE JUST EAST OF AL HWY 171 IN THE KOFFMAN AREA AND DETERMINED THAT IT WAS THE RESULT OF AN EF-3 TORNADO. THE TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF AL HWY 171 AND KOFFMAN RANCH RD WHERE APPROXIMATELY TWO DOZEN PINE TREES WERE UPROOTED AND ORIENTED IN MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS. THE TORNADO THEN TRAVELED NORTHEAST DESTROYING ONE OUTBUILDING ALONG KOFFMAN SPUR. JUST TO THE NORTHEAST OF KOFFMAN SPUR...A BARN WAS DESTROYED AND THE ENTIRE ROOF WAS TORN OFF OF A WELL-CONSTRUCTED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. THE TORNADO LIFTED BEFORE REACHING CARROLL CREEK. THE TORNADO DAMAGE PATH WAS APPROXIMATELY 0.46 MILES LONG AND WAS 400 YARDS WIDE AT ITS WIDEST POINT. TORNADO #2...WATERMELON ROAD TORNADO (TUSCALOOSA COUNTY)... EVENT DATE: JANUARY 23, 2012 EVENT TYPE: EF-2 ESTIMATED PEAK WINDS (MPH): 115 INJURIES/FATALITIES: 0 EVENT START TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 33.3961/-87.4440 AT 300 AM EVENT END TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 33.4038/-87.4395 AT 301 AM DAMAGE PATH LENGTH (IN MILES): 0.56 DAMAGE WIDTH (IN YARDS): 300 WARNINGS: A TORNADO WARNING WAS IN EFFECT FROM 231 AM UNTIL 315 AM. WATCHES: TORNADO WATCH #7 WAS IN EFFECT FROM 11 PM UNTIL 6 AM. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS HAVE SURVEYED THE DAMAGE JUST WEST OF THE BLACK WARRIOR RIVER ALONG WATERMELON RD AND DETERMINED THAT IT WAS THE RESULT OF AN EF-2 TORNADO. THE TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN ABOUT A QUARTER MILE WEST OF WATERMELON RD SNAPPING AND UPROOTING A FEW SMALL PINE TREES. FROM THERE...THE TORNADO TRAVELED NORTHEAST AND HIT A HUNTING CAMP WHERE APPROXIMATELY TWENTY SMALL PINE TREES WERE SNAPPED AND EIGHT CAMPERS WERE ROLLED. THREE OF THE CAMPERS WERE DESTROYED AND THE OTHER FIVE RECEIVED DIFFERING DEGREES OF DAMAGE. THE TORNADO CONTINUED NORTHEAST CROSSING WATERMELON RD WHERE IT SNAPPED 3 WOODEN H-FRAME TRANSMISSION LINES BEFORE LIFTING JUST TO THE EAST OF WATERMELON RD. THE TORNADO DAMAGE PATH WAS APPROXIMATELY 0.56 MILES LONG AND WAS 300 YARDS WIDE AT ITS WIDEST POINT. TORNADO #3...OAK GROVE TORNADO (TUSCALOOSA/JEFFERSON COUNTY)... EVENT DATE: JANUARY 23, 2012 EVENT TYPE: EF-2 ESTIMATED PEAK WINDS (MPH): 130 INJURIES/FATALITIES: NA/1 EVENT START TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 33.4316/-87.3071 AT 309 AM EVENT END TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 33.5290/-87.1405 AT 327 AM DAMAGE PATH LENGTH (IN MILES): 13.00 DAMAGE WIDTH (IN YARDS): 880 WARNINGS: A TORNADO WARNING WAS IN EFFECT FROM 231 AM UNTIL 315 AM. A TORNADO WARNING WAS IN EFFECT FROM 302 AM UNTIL 345 AM. WATCHES: TORNADO WATCH #7 WAS IN EFFECT FROM 11 PM UNTIL 6 AM. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS HAVE SURVEYED THE DAMAGE JUST EAST OF THE BLACK WARRIOR RIVER NEAR THE TUSCALOOSA AND JEFFERSON COUNTY LINE. THE DAMAGE WAS WAS THE RESULT OF AN EF-2 TORNADO. THE TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN 1 MILE WEST OF GROUNDHOG ROAD. THE TORNADO THEN MOVED NORTHEAST ACROSS LOCK 17 ROAD...CAMP OLIVER ROAD...AND TOADVINE ROAD. THE TORNADO LIFTED ALONG TOADVINE ROAD JUST SOUTHWEST OF SHORT CREEK. NUMEROUS TREES WERE SNAPPED AND UPROOTED ALONG THE DAMAGE PATH. ONE FATALITY OCCURRED ALONG TOADVINE ROAD WHERE A MOBILE HOME WAS TOTALLY DESTROYED. SEVERAL OTHER STRUCTURES RECEIVED VARYING DEGREES OF DAMAGE ALONG THE PATH. TORNADO #4...PARKER TORNADO (SUMTER COUNTY)... EVENT DATE: JANUARY 23, 2012 EVENT TYPE: EF-0 ESTIMATED PEAK WINDS (MPH): 75 INJURIES/FATALITIES: 0 EVENT START TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 32.6567/-88.1705 AT 321 AM EVENT END TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 32.6718/-88.1639 AT 324 AM DAMAGE PATH LENGTH (IN MILES): 1.1 DAMAGE WIDTH (IN YARDS): 50 WARNINGS: A TORNADO WARNING WAS IN EFFECT FROM 304 AM UNTIL 345 AM. WATCHES: TORNADO WATCH #7 WAS IN EFFECT FROM 11 PM UNTIL 6 AM. COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND FIRE OFFICIALS HAVE SURVEYED THE DAMAGE JUST WEST OF STATE HIGHWAY 11 AND COUNTY ROAD 39 AND DETERMINED THAT IT WAS THE RESULT OF AN EF-0 TORNADO. THE TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN ALONG HIGHWAY 11 ABOUT 5 MILES NORTHEAST OF LIVINGSTON DAMAGING AND UPROOTING A FEW SMALL SOFT AND HARDWOOD TREES. THE TORNADO THEN TRAVELED NORTHEAST TOWARDS COUNTY ROAD 39 AND MCCAINVILLE ROAD WHERE ADDITIONAL TREES WERE DAMAGED ALONG WITH MINOR DAMAGE TO AN OUTDOOR SHED AS THE TORNADO WAS LIFTING. THE TORNADO DAMAGE PATH WAS APPROXIMATELY 1.1 MILES LONG AND WAS 50 YARDS WIDE AT ITS WIDEST POINT. SPECIAL THANKS TO SUMTER COUNTY OFFICIALS FOR THEIR HELP WITH THE DAMAGE SURVEY. TORNADO #5...CENTER POINT TORNADO (JEFFERSON AND ST CLAIR)... EVENT DATE: JANUARY 23, 2012 EVENT TYPE: EF-3 ESTIMATED PEAK WINDS (MPH): 150 INJURIES/FATALITIES: 100/2 EVENT START TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 33.6228/-86.7411 AT 358 AM EVENT END TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 33.7197/-86.4963 AT 420 AM DAMAGE PATH LENGTH (IN MILES): 15.5 DAMAGE WIDTH (IN YARDS): 800 WARNINGS: A TORNADO WARNING WAS IN EFFECT FROM 332 AM UNTIL 430 AM. A TORNADO WARNING WAS IN EFFECT FROM 415 AM UNTIL 515 AM. WATCHES: TORNADO WATCH #7 WAS IN EFFECT FROM 11 PM UNTIL 6 AM. TORNADO WATCH #11 WAS IN EFFECT FROM 245 AM UNTIL 10 AM. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS HAVE SURVEYED THE DAMAGE BETWEEN TARRANT...CENTER POINT...CLAY...AND ARGO. THE DAMAGE WAS THE RESULT OF AN EF-3 TORNADO. THE TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN ALONG PAWNEE VILLAGE ROAD ABOUT 3.25 MILES NORTHEAST OF TARRANT WHERE SEVERAL BUSINESSES SUSTAINED ROOF AND WALL DAMAGE. THE TORNADO THEN TRACKED FURTHER NORTHEAST ACROSS PINSON VALLEY PARKWAY WHERE SEVERAL ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES WERE HEAVILY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. THE TORNADO THEN MOVED THROUGH DOWNTOWN CENTER POINT CROSSING CENTER POINT PARKWAY WHERE NUMEROUS HOMES AND BUSINESSES WERE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. THE TORNADO CONTINUED NORTHEAST TO OLD SPRINGVILLE ROAD TOWARDS THE CITY OF CLAY WHERE MORE HOMES AND BUSINESSES SUSTAINED MAJOR DAMAGE WITH MOST EXTERIOR WALLS COLLAPSED AS THE TORNADO REACHED MAXIMUM INTENSITY. FURTHER NORTHEAST THE TORNADO CONTINUED AT ITS MAXIMUM STRENGTH NEAR DEERFOOT PARKWAY WHERE ADDITIONAL HOMES WERE DESTROYED. THE TORNADO BEGAN TO WEAKEN AS IT APPROACHED INTERSTATE 59 CROSSING INTO ST CLAIR COUNTY JUST NORTH OF ARGO WHERE SEVERAL ADDITIONAL HOMES SUSTAINED DAMAGE ALONG WITH NUMEROUS TREES DAMAGED. THE TORNADO BEGAN TO LIFT NEAR HIDDEN VALLEY DRIVE AND COUNTRY LIVING CIRCLE. TWO FATALITIES OCCURED WITH THIS VIOLENT TORNADO...ONE IN CENTER POINT AND THE OTHER IN THE CITY OF CLAY. AT THE TIME OF THIS REPORT SEVERAL HUNDRED HOMES AND BUSINESSES WERE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. THE TORNADO DAMAGE PATH WAS APPROXIMATELY 15.5 MILES LONG AND WAS 800 YARDS WIDE AT ITS WIDEST POINT. SPECIAL THANKS TO NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE IN HUNTSVILLE FOR THEIR HELP WITH THE DAMAGE SURVEY. TORNADO #6...NORTH MILLBROOK TORNADO (ELMORE COUNTY)... EVENT DATE: JANUARY 23, 2012 EVENT TYPE: EF-1 ESTIMATED PEAK WINDS (MPH): 100 INJURIES/FATALITIES: 0 EVENT START TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 32.5209/-86.4119 AT 748 AM EVENT END TIME/LOCATION COORDINATES: 32.5309/-86.3437 AT 755 AM DAMAGE PATH LENGTH (IN MILES): 4.02 DAMAGE WIDTH (IN YARDS): 200 WATCHES: TORNADO WATCH #11 WAS IN EFFECT FROM 245 AM UNTIL 10 AM. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS HAVE SURVEYED THE DAMAGE BETWEEN MILLBROOK...DEATSVILLE...AND ELMORE. THE DAMAGE WAS THE RESULT OF AN EF-1 TORNADO. THE TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN ALONG COUNTY ROAD 39 NEAR THE AUTAUGA COUNTY LINE. THE TORNADO MOVED EASTWARD AND CROSSED HIGHWAY 7 NEAR THE PINES GOLF CLUB. THE TORNADO THEN MOVED ALONG HIGHWAY 14 AND LIFTED JUST BEFORE THE WETUMPKA MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. TEN TO FIFTEEN HOMES SUFFERED SHINGLE AND SIDING DAMAGE. DOZENS OF TREES WERE BLOWN DOWN. ONE APARTMENT HAD ITS METAL ROOF BLOWN OFF. ONE AUTO CENTER HAD ITS DOORS BLOWN IN. ...PERRY AND CHILTON COUNTIES (SURVEY ONGOING)... A SUPERCELL THUNDERSTORM MOVED ACROSS A LARGE PART OF PERRY AND CHILTON COUNTIES AND PRODUCED DAMAGE. NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SURVEY CREWS HAVE FOUND EF2 DAMAGE IN PERRY COUNTY WHICH CONSISTED OF SIGNIFICANT TREE DAMAGE AND DAMAGE TO SEVERAL STRUCTURES. MAXIMUM WINDS WERE ESTIMATED AROUND 130 MPH. MORE INFORMATION TO FOLLOW AS THE SURVEY CREW CONTINUES IN CHILTON COUNTY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beneficii Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 This is just not a good way to start the severe season, with areas in the same places as last year taking direct hits. If this is any indication for what we can expect in Spring, then we're going to have some serious problems particularly considering the GoM is a lot more juiced this year than last. And, interestingly, some areas that had closed calls but missed them time and again, like Memphis, got lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguy3107 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Looks like they are going to have a story on ABC News tonight. Also, looks like the NWS has preliminary strength and tracks of the tornadoes: I watched the story on ABC, James Spann got a little camera time and they did say that there was warning. I was at least glad to see it wasn't a story with the typical "there was no warning" mantra. Birmingham is lucky to have him, there's no telling how many lives he's saved in the past couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrasher Fan Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I watched the story on ABC, James Spann got a little camera time and they did say that there was warning. I was at least glad to see it wasn't a story with the typical "there was no warning" mantra. Birmingham is lucky to have him, there's no telling how many lives he's saved in the past couple of years. Is there a link to this ABC segment anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eureka22 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Here is the link to the ABC report. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/alabama-tornadoes-survival-lessons-15433740 The accuracy of ABC continues to be impressive. Note the date they used for last years outbreak when comparing the paths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernNJ Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Looks like the 19 mile EF-2 that caused considerable damage near Fordyce lifted just before reaching Rison. A very good thing because I know a lot of folks on here were concerned. The powerful supercell that moved through Tuscaloosa/Jefferson/St. Clair counties apparently dropped multiple large tornadoes, with two 10-15 miles long ones creating considerable damage and a couple fatalities. The Center Point-Clay tornado was easily the strongest, in the moderate EF-3 range with half-a-mile wide maximun width. It injured upwards of 100 people, but yet only 1 or 2 fatalities. Extremely fortunate there, the firefighters and EM's deserve a ton of credit for going out in the dark and pulling out all of those people to safety. The crew of individuals here that helped cover the tornadoes, particularly the Center Point-Clay one, did an excellent job. The live analysis of that storm and its properties could not have been done better on TWC itself. Even correctly predicting the cycle and when the cycle was about to end with another tornado was timed well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaculaWeather Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I highly urge everyone that can, find out how you can become a first responder where you live. I know here in Gwinnett County the Red Cross among others have a program you go though to become certified. During times like these, doctors, nurses, and EMT's are in short supply and need all the help they can get. You can make their job much easier and possibly save the life of someone that otherwise might not make it. It's a small investment in time that could potentially have a very great reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of Disaster Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Looks like the 19 mile EF-2 that caused considerable damage near Fordyce lifted just before reaching Rison. A very good thing because I know a lot of folks on here were concerned. The powerful supercell that moved through Tuscaloosa/Jefferson/St. Clair counties apparently dropped multiple large tornadoes, with two 10-15 miles long ones creating considerable damage and a couple fatalities. The Center Point-Clay tornado was easily the strongest, in the moderate EF-3 range with half-a-mile wide maximun width. It injured upwards of 100 people, but yet only 1 or 2 fatalities. Extremely fortunate there, the firefighters and EM's deserve a ton of credit for going out in the dark and pulling out all of those people to safety. The crew of individuals here that helped cover the tornadoes, particularly the Center Point-Clay one, did an excellent job. The live analysis of that storm and its properties could not have been done better on TWC itself. Even correctly predicting the cycle and when the cycle was about to end with another tornado was timed well. Kind of an interesting note with this tornado. Ive seen numerous comments on other forums that it crossed the damage path of the April EF4. This doesnt appear to be the case. The April EF4 lifted directly North of Tarrant. And the end is very visible on Google Eath now. This one touched down NE of Tarrant. If you compare the touchdown point from this weekend to the lift point from the April tornado. There is a 1.4 mile gap where one ended and the other began. Kind of creepy, had the April EF4 continued, it would have hit the areas affected by this weekends EF3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NJwinter23 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 How many tornadoes have been confirmed in all with this tornado outbreak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 How many tornadoes have been confirmed in all with this tornado outbreak? 21 BMX: 11 LZK: 5 PAH: 2 MEG: 2 JAN: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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