phlwx Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I see the GFS is forecasting mid 560s 1000-500mb thicknesses around the first day of summer, I mean spring, how about a run at the mid 80s? EC Ensemble mean for 3/20 is off the wall. Pretty much everyone from Springfield Mass to Philly to Richmond on west to KC and Fargo is 25+ above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastonwx Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I told the GF 75 and a sundress for St Patty's Day Us revelers will be happy to hear that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastonwx Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I told the GF 75 and a sundress for St Patty's Day ...so will the wearers of kilts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 atleast it will be warm enough for good beer drinking weather...ill drink to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 atleast it will be warm enough for good beer drinking weather...ill drink to that It's always beer drinking weather! Now we just ditch the windbreakers from the winter to short sleeves for the summer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg ralls Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 It's time to break out the bock beer (or maybe the barley wine, if you prefer). Love spring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowtrain Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The people who like warm winters seem to forget about people whose income depends on having snow and cold. Landscapers who depend on snow removel to get them through the winter are in bad shape right now. And like you mentioned about fruit trees, I was at Cherry Hill Orchards yesterday. It is a local grower here in Lancaster County. They are very concerned about the potential for a devastating freeze this spring. One night is all it takes to ruin a year. That is why i tell people who live up this way who hate the cold in the winter time. Move south. people in the agricultural industry or any business directly related to or affected by weather deal with abnormalities all the time. It's part of being in the business and if you are in that business and expect every year to be a carbon copy and follow a script then you won't be in business very long. It is a shame that the landscapers that rely on snow removal for income and such had a bad winter, but it's no different than people in the steel industry that have rising costs b/c of lack of supply and any other commodity driven business. If you can't adapt then get into another business. I think most people on this site are snow people and they are just talking about the current abnormal warm spell, not wishing harm to people's livelihoods. Lighten up a little! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 going off 0z euro next thursday is the warmest widespread 70s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazwoper Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 people in the agricultural industry or any business directly related to or affected by weather deal with abnormalities all the time. It's part of being in the business and if you are in that business and expect every year to be a carbon copy and follow a script then you won't be in business very long. It is a shame that the landscapers that rely on snow removal for income and such had a bad winter, but it's no different than people in the steel industry that have rising costs b/c of lack of supply and any other commodity driven business. If you can't adapt then get into another business. I think most people on this site are snow people and they are just talking about the current abnormal warm spell, not wishing harm to people's livelihoods. Lighten up a little! and with regards to snow removal......these folks had banner years the past two seasons. If you are in the landscaping business and need snow removal to make it through the winter, perhaps you should relocate your business. Or better yet, find another income source for the winter months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yes_Probably_Maybe_No Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I told the GF 75 and a sundress for St Patty's Day And it shall be done. In exchange, May will feature backdoor cold fronts, 50 degree weather, and some drizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yes_Probably_Maybe_No Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 so....80 degrees or bust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 so....80 degrees or bust? I think bust. Airmasses don't seem quite warm enough for that. No 80s even showing up in VA/NC next week. Mid 70s is the top end, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman56 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Outside of maybe this weekend, and that might be pushing it, are you worried about more freezes? I don't see any signs of freeze potential in the MR all the way out through early April (though, to be fair, I would have missed Tuesday morning in the MR) Haven't dug through my records, but I can't recall an April that didn't get below freezing at least once in April here in the NW suburbs. Not hard to be up near 60 in the daytime and drop below 32 at night with a dry ground and a dry airmass. I'd think we'd have to get down in the mid 20's though to really damage fruit blossoms, they are little more hardy than green leaves on garden vegetables or actual fruit on the tree. Rushing to get fruit trees pruned before they bud. Should've been done a couple weeks ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Here's a link that shows critical temperatures that cause fruit tree damage. Its not the trees themeselves, but the blossoms. http://extension.usu.edu/files/publications/factsheet/pub__5191779.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 +16 850's to Hudson's Bay at hour 240 on the Euro. I don't think I've seen that ever in March before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 BTW, very mid March 95 look in the 0z EC's long range. Here's the highs for Philly from 3/13-3/17/95 -- 71, 71, 74, 73, 72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penndotguy Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 and with regards to snow removal......these folks had banner years the past two seasons. If you are in the landscaping business and need snow removal to make it through the winter, perhaps you should relocate your business. Or better yet, find another income source for the winter months. my cousin owns a landscaping business out here, he has had his crews working just about the entire month of Feb. so they really only had down time of a couple months. As far as snow most business's that rely on it as an income have retainers to help out for years like this, granted its not the same income as a good snow season but it helps. The landscaping trade surely is a feast or famine business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlwx Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 and with regards to snow removal......these folks had banner years the past two seasons. If you are in the landscaping business and need snow removal to make it through the winter, perhaps you should relocate your business. Or better yet, find another income source for the winter months. It's more an issue of managing their business model better to be able to make it through the winter without having to rely on snowfall. Snow removal should be treated by these guys as "gravy income" and not to be relied upon as a means to get through the winter. It's tough to do that but you can't rely on snow around here. Most good lawncare guys know that. Any snow removal income in theory should be banked away to save up for years where they need equipment for the lawncare side...and shouldn't be treated as primary income at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 It's more an issue of managing their business model better to be able to make it through the winter without having to rely on snowfall. Snow removal should be treated by these guys as "gravy income" and not to be relied upon as a means to get through the winter. It's tough to do that but you can't rely on snow around here. Most good lawncare guys know that. Any snow removal income in theory should be banked away to save up for years where they need equipment for the lawncare side...and shouldn't be treated as primary income at all. also, if you have a mild winter you can work longer into the winter/through winter which makes up for the snow removal part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grothar Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 It's more an issue of managing their business model better to be able to make it through the winter without having to rely on snowfall. Snow removal should be treated by these guys as "gravy income" and not to be relied upon as a means to get through the winter. It's tough to do that but you can't rely on snow around here. Most good lawncare guys know that. Any snow removal income in theory should be banked away to save up for years where they need equipment for the lawncare side...and shouldn't be treated as primary income at all. By the way, landscapers are not the guys for primary snow plowing-- thats a secondary income for them not primary. The real guys hurting are the earth moving contractors who have plowing equipment sitting idle for several months. They are stuck because they cannot move earth in the winter time with frozen soils, cannot stabilize what they disturbed and if they do move earth, they are spending beau coup bucks for erosion controls. Also, if whining makes you feel better about the lack of snowfall- just go to Florida. Imagine what Aspen Co would do without snow- snowfall is critical and those who b**ch about it better should live in Florida and beg for clean drinking water (not salt water)- something we have because of the snow and they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 It really does not matter what u do in seasonal work....everyone is hurting....hell im hurting....but back to work finally....and it seems everyone is getting a early start.....after leaf clean-ups are done in december not much to do after...a mild january does nothing for my income.....and febuary is way to early for clean ups and mulch....a nice wall job can be helpful in a mild winter or woods clean up. Not calling anyone out but i never depend on snow...but u need to be ready....salt....maintance on trucks and plows....lots mark out....you might gain a new account and need bigger equipment or rental stuff....its not as simple as putting a plow on ur truck...also liability insurance needs to be carried.....thats why we play the game....we will live to fight another day...but guys are hurting.....i have 20 tons of salt that needs to be stored over the summer...not easy finding spots to do this....epa and etc are giving tickets like crazy...as economy has hurt the funding....it helps to have a second source of income....such as a career in something else....but easier said then done....seasonal contracts are prob the best way to go...but are not a easy pitch.... I never depend on snow....but i will be dam if im not ready.....i have client base and insurance company to answer to...telling someone to put money away after two snowy winters is not something u do.....its better to start putting away in the spring.....i put 100$ away each week in a separate account....to prepare for a warm winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 It really does not matter what u do in seasonal work....everyone is hurting....hell im hurting....but back to work finally....and it seems everyone is getting a early start.....after leaf clean-ups are done in december not much to do after...a mild january does nothing for my income.....and febuary is way to early for clean ups and mulch....a nice wall job can be helpful in a mild winter or woods clean up. Not calling anyone out but i never depend on snow...but u need to be ready....salt....maintance on trucks and plows....lots mark out....you might gain a new account and need bigger equipment or rental stuff....its not as simple as putting a plow on ur truck...also liability insurance needs to be carried.....thats why we play the game....we will live to fight another day...but guys are hurting.....i have 20 tons of salt that needs to be stored over the summer...not easy finding spots to do this....epa and etc are giving tickets like crazy...as economy has hurt the funding....it helps to have a second source of income....such as a career in something else....but easier said then done....seasonal contracts are prob the best way to go...but are not a easy pitch.... I never depend on snow....but i will be dam if im not ready.....i have client base and insurance company to answer to...telling someone to put money away after two snowy winters is not something u do.....its better to start putting away in the spring.....i put 100$ away each week in a separate account....to prepare for a warm winter After reading some mentions of snow plowing here, there is actually an entire forum for all you snow plowing fans. http://www.plowsite.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 After reading some mentions of snow plowing here, there is actually an entire forum for all you snow plowing fans. http://www.plowsite.com/ I just spent 10 minutes trying to find a decent clip of the "Mr. Plow" commercial from the Simpsons. but no luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I just spent 10 minutes trying to find a decent clip of the "Mr. Plow" commercial from the Simpsons. but no luck Those are probably not the big boys though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 After reading some mentions of snow plowing here, there is actually an entire forum for all you snow plowing fans. http://www.plowsite.com/ Lol...yes i have over 4,000 post on that site....also have a shirt...lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGorse Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Lol...yes i have over 4,000 post on that site....also have a shirt...lmao You are a fan then. I lurk there from time to time but am not a member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Adam, rumor has it weeklies showing an Alaskan ridge and Greenland ridging . Any truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Adam, rumor has it weeklies showing an Alaskan ridge and Greenland ridging . Any truth? My little birdie was silent last night. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quakertown needs snow Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 After reading some mentions of snow plowing here, there is actually an entire forum for all you snow plowing fans. http://www.plowsite.com/ there must be a ton of disgruntled folks in there for our local area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feb Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 My little birdie was silent last night. Sorry. No need to apologize to us. However you may owe one to your GF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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