Ian Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 it's a silly argument but i think it does perhaps send the wrong message particularly to the many who don't understand it but just hear that workers can go home etc. in all likelihood an extremely small percentage of employees will face any impact different than a a light rain event. maybe there should just be a standing rule that when there is an advisory or something where you live then you can follow this order without it being broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needbiggerboat Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 loshjott, on 8 February 2012 - 11:47 AM, said: So you agree with OPM, because this is exactly what they are saying. Individual fed employees are now authorized to make individual decisions on whether to take annual leave or telework or come to work as normal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not exactly. Maybe for the smallest subset of folks that live very far outside of the metro area. With a blanket "individual decision" approach I'd assume, for example that some folks that walk or Metro to work, or live in DC/Arlington will take advantage of the offer to take early leave. Why? Because the Feds said it is OK? Post undergrad, I've been in the workforce for 21 years, and I've never used weather as an excuse not to show up for work. I spend a few days each week in one of my offices that is 100+ miles away, and even in the extreme example of 09/10 weather did not serve as a rationale to not show up or leave early, etc. When roads or my street were literally shut in, then I put in full days via telecommuting. Just sayin that rain showers or non accumulating snows should not = early departure or leave. I can understand in the event of massive accumulating snows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 it's a silly argument but i think it does perhaps send the wrong message particularly to the many who don't understand it but just hear that workers can go home etc. in all likelihood an extremely small percentage of employees will face any impact different than a a light rain event. maybe there should just be a standing rule that when there is an advisory or something where you live then you can follow this order without it being broadcast. But its an optional leave. The government is giving their employees the option to leave early, using their own vacation time, if they feel it is necessary. We have that in my office - if it got bad enough today that I felt I needed to leave early, I could. No harm to my company as it is my vacation being used. so I'm not sure why anyone views it in a negative fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris87 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 it's a silly argument but i think it does perhaps send the wrong message particularly to the many who don't understand it but just hear that workers can go home etc. in all likelihood an extremely small percentage of employees will face any impact different than a a light rain event. maybe there should just be a standing rule that when there is an advisory or something where you live then you can follow this order without it being broadcast. you're definitely right, but part of the equation are certain unionized federal employees have filed grievance after grievance against OPM due to the lack of weather-related closings, and this is just an easy way to minimize the argument, while not actually financial affecting anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 What business is it of anyone if a person leaves work early and it counts against their vacation amount? All unscheduled leave messages mean is that it removes the formality of submitting a signed leave request that can be required. I havent signed a leave slip in years. BFD people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needbiggerboat Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 What part of optional leave do people not understand? It's probably more that it shouldn't even be a broad option, given the impending rain sprinkles and non accumulating snows. There's really no rational reason for extending the option today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 It's probably more that it shouldn't even be a broad option, given the impending rain sprinkles and non accumulating snows. There's really no rational reason for extending the option today. I am going to assume that not everyone who works for the government lives in the immediate DC area... but what do I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 you're definitely right, but part of the equation are certain unionized federal employees have filed grievance after grievance against OPM due to the lack of weather-related closings, and this is just an easy way to minimize the argument, while not actually financial affecting anything. i just know a lot of people outside gov hear "gov can go home" and think "those coddled sacks of ****". but other than that this is one of the stupides arguments in a sea of stupid arguments i've ever participated in on these boards and im fully willing to cede to those who think it's a wonderful idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 i just know a lot of people outside gov hear "gov can go home" and think "those coddled sacks of ****". but other than that this is one of the stupides arguments in a sea of stupid arguments i've ever participated in on these boards and im fully willing to cede to those who think it's a wonderful idea. Its okay Ian, they probably wouldn't notice if you left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needbiggerboat Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 what is the impact on you if someone chooses to use his/her vacation time to leave early? No impact whatsover, as far as I can tell....But I don't usually feel the impact when Fed offices are fully staffed on a sunny day. It really sets a low bar for organizational norms to allow people to use leave discretion, be it govt or private, in the event of rain sprinkles/snow showers that will amount to a minimal impact on the actual evening commute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needbiggerboat Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 why do you even care? I don't care much at all, but this is a discussion board, and the issue was introduced. People are fee to comment, despite your default grumpy tendency to criticize and belittle. Part of my work is in the organizational development and culture arenas, and this has been a long running point of discussion/butt of jokes for as long as I've lived in the DC area. So enjoy your early leave, if you choose to partake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Its okay Ian, they probably wouldn't notice if you left i dont work for the gov and live two stops up the metro. im pretty sure my boss would know my streets were only wet (if that) where if i lived way nw maybe i could pretend there was a reason i didnt go to work other than wanting to stay in my pjs all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 i dont work for the gov and live two stops up the metro. im pretty sure my boss would know my streets were only wet (if that) where if i lived way nw maybe i could pretend there was a reason i didnt go to work other than wanting to stay in my pjs all day. Ain't nothing wrong with rocking PJs all day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Balti Zen Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Ain't nothing wrong with rocking PJs all day! Except, perhaps, in Louisiana: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/01/18/a_louisiana_politician_demands_a_ban_on_pajama_wearing_in_public_.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Except, perhaps, in Louisiana: http://www.slate.com...in_public_.html That is a horrible pattern on that robe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 i just know a lot of people outside gov hear "gov can go home" and think "those coddled sacks of ****". That is exactly what Drudge is trying to imply by his current headline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekuasepinniW Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarReenactor Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 This winter in a complete joke. The "storm" today. Short shot of cold air this weekend with nothing to show for it. 50's next week. Can we fast forward to April please? I held out hope till this point, but this is so sad its comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtobe Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 That is exactly what Drudge is trying to imply by his current headline That's a poor decision as no forecast I've seen were really advertising ebough snow to cause real problems except maybe way out west. I guess OPM is gun shy because of last years fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needbiggerboat Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I would agree with one point...PJ's are the optimal attire when working from home. Although with the move to Facetime and such, PJ's may be relegated to bottoms only, and basic facial prep/hygiene will need to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H2O Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 This winter in a complete joke. The "storm" today. Short shot of cold air this weekend with nothing to show for it. 50's next week. Can we fast forward to April please? I held out hope till this point, but this is so sad its comical. Did you go home early? OPM says you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 That's a poor decision as no forecast I've seen were really advertising ebough snow to cause real problems except maybe way out west. I guess OPM is gun shy because of last years fiasco. The only reason that I think it is a good idea is because there are school closings in the area. If kids are getting out early, it's safe to assume that there are some parents who will need to leave early. I seems more of a convenience and "work/life" balance reason than a safety one. Also, yes, commutageddon is something that they will forever be trying to not repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlizzardNole Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 As a federal employee, I don't like the OPM decision because of how it affects people's perception. For the record, NO ONE at my work is even talking about leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarReenactor Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Did you go home early? OPM says you can No word here at APG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 As a federal employee, I don't like the OPM decision because of how it affects people's perception. For the record, NO ONE at my work is even talking about leaving. People here at my agency got a good chuckle from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 That is exactly what Drudge is trying to imply by his current headline so if nothing else it's bad pr... opm should be cognizant of that and rework their planning if they're going to allow this everytime there is a minor accumulation potential. no reason it can't be a silent policy imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I wish Master of Disaster was around, Id like to hear his take on OPM unscheduled leave decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I wish Master of Disaster was around, Id like to hear his take on OPM unscheduled leave decision. He is out saving the lives of the good people of Maryland. Or helicopter rescuing alpaca's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I wish Master of Disaster was around, Id like to hear his take on OPM unscheduled leave decision. Who do you think told them to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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