Fozz Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 No biggie, I know I am not well liked around here, so I understand that for some it may be hard to see how serious I am with apologies. Of course you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Of course you are I like her.. and im even from the evil land of sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Of course you are I like her.. and im even from the evil land of sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Oh okay, cool No biggie, I know I am not well liked around here, so I understand that for some it may be hard to see how serious I am with apologies. I think people are as wrong about you as they are about their forecasts. But as I've learned, making up bull**** about people to make them look bad is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I think people are as wrong about you as they are about their forecasts. But as I've learned, making up bull**** about people to make them look bad is the way to go. For many it is easier to do that than realizing they are the actual problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellinwood Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 bingo Better moderating = less complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I think people are as wrong about you as they are about their forecasts. But as I've learned, making up bull**** about people to make them look bad is the way to go. Thank you, Jamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 No biggie, I know I am not well liked around here, so I understand that for some it may be hard to see how serious I am with apologies. I like you KT I think sometimes you go out of your way to pick a fight, but there are plenty of people that do that who don't have your other redeeming qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I like you KT I think sometimes you go out of your way to pick a fight, but there are plenty of people that do that who don't have your other redeeming qualities. I know I do, and its a bad quality to have. I'll work on getting better. But thank you for the kind words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I like you KT I think sometimes you go out of your way to pick a fight, but there are plenty of people that do that who don't have your other redeeming qualities. I think it's more exasperation. I still have my moments but I've been better about letting things go. There are ways around the crap. One of the real strokes of smarts from the staff has been these banter threads. They are a great way to work out board issues without getting into the way of the weather threads. It also cuts down on the worst aspect of the weather side, and that's when threads become less a source of good info for hobbyists and more a cacophony of conflicting info, virtual shouting, irrelevant info, etc. This banter thread offers an outlet for that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurojosh Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 This morning I realized exactly how much of a weenie I am, when I woke up from a dream in which this system had transferred energy to an unmodeled low that suddenly popped up off the coast of Norfolk, VA, and moved slowly north. DCA got about 8". Then I woke up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I think it's more exasperation. I still have my moments but I've been better about letting things go. There are ways around the crap. One of the real strokes of smarts from the staff has been these banter threads. They are a great way to work out board issues without getting into the way of the weather threads. It also cuts down on the worst aspect of the weather side, and that's when threads become less a source of good info for hobbyists and more a cacophony of conflicting info, virtual shouting, irrelevant info, etc. This banter thread offers an outlet for that stuff. I can understand the frustration. I didn't read back in this thread to Phin and KTs discussion and I haven't paid close attention to many of the MA threads before this threat, so I don't know the details. I agree about the banter threads through as I think they serve a nice outlet for venting without clogging up the discussion threads. IMO, the weenie posts in the discussion threads are annoying, but I actually find the "post less, read more" replies to be even worse as it usually kicks of an hour long fight. BB posts and the responses to him are a classic example of this. Also, shouldn't a banter thread be in OT where it is not visable to outsiders? Seems wierd that we would have a visable thread for banter (and eventual in-fighting) that airs our dirty laundry to the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Also, shouldn't a banter thread be in OT where it is not visable to outsiders? Seems wierd that we would have a visable thread for banter (and eventual in-fighting) that airs our dirty laundry to the world. Hmmm.... typically don't think about the 100's if not 1000's of anonymous lurkers that browse these threads. I should probably formally introduce myself to the "real world". Here's my recent pic from where I live: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Oh okay, cool No biggie, I know I am not well liked around here, so I understand that for some it may be hard to see how serious I am with apologies. who wouldn't like you? i mean, with those elbows and all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Hmmm.... typically don't think about the 100's if not 1000's of anonymous lurkers that browse these threads. I should probably formally introduce myself to the "real world". Here's my recent pic from where I live: bob, BOB, BOB is that you? BOB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Hmmm.... typically don't think about the 100's if not 1000's of anonymous lurkers that browse these threads. I should probably formally introduce myself to the "real world". Here's my recent pic from where I live: Should have had the blue pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 if regular posters find that some members are adding nothing, what is the value of encouraging those that add nothing or incorrect information to post more? what does that add to the forum overall? it'd be more efficient to put a lid on the people who habitually disrupt with bad posts and/or incorrect information, like BB. no one tells those who add something to the forum to read more and post less. I'm not saying that people should encourage them to post more, but being rude to a newbie generally only leads to a short-lived and disruptive spat. I try to ignore the IMBY posts and move on. If people respond with a "you need to post less" response people react badly. If they get a "I think this was addressed a few pages back" response, which is more polite, they respond better and move on. It's just my opinion, but I never found that being rude to newbies or anybody else ever solved the problem. BB thrives on the attention, if people just ignored him he would post less. if the banter thread is in OT then all the banter will re-migrate into the discussion threads. at least most of the time folks now move the chatter into the banter thread. Fair enough, it was just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I can understand the frustration. I didn't read back in this thread to Phin and KTs discussion and I haven't paid close attention to many of the MA threads before this threat, so I don't know the details. I agree about the banter threads through as I think they serve a nice outlet for venting without clogging up the discussion threads. IMO, the weenie posts in the discussion threads are annoying, but I actually find the "post less, read more" replies to be even worse as it usually kicks of an hour long fight. BB posts and the responses to him are a classic example of this. Also, shouldn't a banter thread be in OT where it is not visable to outsiders? Seems wierd that we would have a visable thread for banter (and eventual in-fighting) that airs our dirty laundry to the world. technically i think the banter threads were supposed to be related -- like "hey let's go sledding" or "the snow tastes like candy" like other things this is all sort of about nothing then assorted other beefs get thrown into the nothing stew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 today would be a good day for beef stew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb@MAWS Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 today would be a good day for beef stew ... because folks S&E will certainly stew, and have a beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 it's not true that newbies are uniformly attacked, and in general people are approached in a civil manner--heaven knows Kenny tried his best with millzpirate. and read more/post less is a good response to people who have ignored the polite attempts to guide them to be less annoying. it's simply untrue that people are attacked simply for being new. but he added made up obs and made up science to the discussion--bad and/or false information. what is the value of bad and/or false information to the wx-side? I would agree with this. Even though i was over at Eastern, i still consider myself as new. In my experience, many new posters should lurk around a little and understand how this forum operates. However, the ones who get flammed, are usually the ones who continue to not listen, even after they have been reminded time and again. and think about posters who are no longer here, who made up ops to try and fit in, i mean, wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 What part of optional leave do people not understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 it's a silly argument but i think it does perhaps send the wrong message particularly to the many who don't understand it but just hear that workers can go home etc. in all likelihood an extremely small percentage of employees will face any impact different than a a light rain event. maybe there should just be a standing rule that when there is an advisory or something where you live then you can follow this order without it being broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needbiggerboat Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 loshjott, on 8 February 2012 - 11:47 AM, said: So you agree with OPM, because this is exactly what they are saying. Individual fed employees are now authorized to make individual decisions on whether to take annual leave or telework or come to work as normal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not exactly. Maybe for the smallest subset of folks that live very far outside of the metro area. With a blanket "individual decision" approach I'd assume, for example that some folks that walk or Metro to work, or live in DC/Arlington will take advantage of the offer to take early leave. Why? Because the Feds said it is OK? Post undergrad, I've been in the workforce for 21 years, and I've never used weather as an excuse not to show up for work. I spend a few days each week in one of my offices that is 100+ miles away, and even in the extreme example of 09/10 weather did not serve as a rationale to not show up or leave early, etc. When roads or my street were literally shut in, then I put in full days via telecommuting. Just sayin that rain showers or non accumulating snows should not = early departure or leave. I can understand in the event of massive accumulating snows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 it's a silly argument but i think it does perhaps send the wrong message particularly to the many who don't understand it but just hear that workers can go home etc. in all likelihood an extremely small percentage of employees will face any impact different than a a light rain event. maybe there should just be a standing rule that when there is an advisory or something where you live then you can follow this order without it being broadcast. But its an optional leave. The government is giving their employees the option to leave early, using their own vacation time, if they feel it is necessary. We have that in my office - if it got bad enough today that I felt I needed to leave early, I could. No harm to my company as it is my vacation being used. so I'm not sure why anyone views it in a negative fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris87 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 it's a silly argument but i think it does perhaps send the wrong message particularly to the many who don't understand it but just hear that workers can go home etc. in all likelihood an extremely small percentage of employees will face any impact different than a a light rain event. maybe there should just be a standing rule that when there is an advisory or something where you live then you can follow this order without it being broadcast. you're definitely right, but part of the equation are certain unionized federal employees have filed grievance after grievance against OPM due to the lack of weather-related closings, and this is just an easy way to minimize the argument, while not actually financial affecting anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 What business is it of anyone if a person leaves work early and it counts against their vacation amount? All unscheduled leave messages mean is that it removes the formality of submitting a signed leave request that can be required. I havent signed a leave slip in years. BFD people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needbiggerboat Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 What part of optional leave do people not understand? It's probably more that it shouldn't even be a broad option, given the impending rain sprinkles and non accumulating snows. There's really no rational reason for extending the option today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 It's probably more that it shouldn't even be a broad option, given the impending rain sprinkles and non accumulating snows. There's really no rational reason for extending the option today. I am going to assume that not everyone who works for the government lives in the immediate DC area... but what do I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 you're definitely right, but part of the equation are certain unionized federal employees have filed grievance after grievance against OPM due to the lack of weather-related closings, and this is just an easy way to minimize the argument, while not actually financial affecting anything. i just know a lot of people outside gov hear "gov can go home" and think "those coddled sacks of ****". but other than that this is one of the stupides arguments in a sea of stupid arguments i've ever participated in on these boards and im fully willing to cede to those who think it's a wonderful idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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