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Snow potential Thursday night and Saturday 1/19 to 1/21


Mikehobbyst

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Lovely. :axe:

I'll be praying throughout this event or lack-thereof that we avoid the south winds. Even last winter those killed us from time to time when coastal fronts would barely pass over us and wreck the snowcover.

Euro is similar to last night and previous runs. Yes, its a bit north, but its also 2-3 hours slower with the WAA snows.

Minor differences from run to run.

Precip onset wont be nailed down until inside if 18 hours.

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Euro is similar to last night and previous runs. Yes, its a bit north, but its also 2-3 hours slower with the WAA snows.

Minor differences from run to run.

Precip onset wont be nailed down until inside if 18 hours.

I'd rather it be faster obviously, which is usually what takes place in fast Nina patterns like these. However, it won't do much good if the cold/dry initial air eats up the snow unless it comes in as a wall. Still, these events are hard to nail down for us in any year, and I wouldn't get excited for at least another day or so. I could still see some ticks north.

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StnID: khpn Profile Thermal Adjust: 0.0 Cloud RH threshold: 85% Average Hourly Sounding: NO

Date/hour FHr Wind SfcT Ptype SR |Snow||Sleet|| FZRA|| QPF CumSR|TotSN||TotPL||TotZR|| TQPF S%| I%| L%

============================================================================================================================

120118/1500Z 3 31017KT 31.6F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120118/1800Z 6 31017KT 31.5F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120118/2100Z 9 32014KT 26.1F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120119/0000Z 12 34007KT 21.6F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---

120119/0300Z 15 02005KT 20.7F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120119/0600Z 18 36005KT 20.3F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120119/0900Z 21 36004KT 20.1F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120119/1200Z 24 03004KT 19.6F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---

120119/1500Z 27 13005KT 23.9F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120119/1800Z 30 16009KT 31.1F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120119/2100Z 33 17009KT 30.6F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120120/0000Z 36 17008KT 30.0F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---

120120/0300Z 39 19009KT 31.1F SNOW 8:1| 0.2|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.024 8:1| 0.2|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.02 100| 0| 0

120120/0600Z 42 23009KT 30.6F SNOW 8:1| 0.2|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.028 8:1| 0.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.05 100| 0| 0

120120/0900Z 45 26009KT 28.9F SNOW 10:1| 0.2|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.016 8:1| 0.6|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.07 100| 0| 0

120120/1200Z 48 31012KT 21.9F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 8:1| 0.6|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.07 0| 0| 0

----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---

120120/1500Z 51 32012KT 24.3F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 8:1| 0.6|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.07 0| 0| 0

120120/1800Z 54 31011KT 28.0F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120120/2100Z 57 30008KT 25.9F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120121/0000Z 60 32006KT 23.9F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---

120121/0300Z 63 VRB02KT 23.5F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120121/0600Z 66 VRB01KT 23.2F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120121/0900Z 69 VRB02KT 24.1F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120121/1200Z 72 10004KT 25.0F SNOW 7:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.016 7:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.02 100| 0| 0

----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---

120121/1500Z 75 06007KT 27.0F SNOW 6:1| 0.5|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.094 6:1| 0.6|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.11 100| 0| 0

120121/1800Z 78 02009KT 27.3F SNOW 13:1| 2.8|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.217 11:1| 3.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.33 100| 0| 0

120121/2100Z 81 36009KT 23.9F SNOW 13:1| 0.9|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.071 11:1| 4.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.40 100| 0| 0

120122/0000Z 84 36007KT 23.5F SNOW 5:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.016 11:1| 4.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.41 100| 0| 0

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KLGA

12zGFS

120121/0900Z 69 15003KT 29.8F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120121/1200Z 72 12005KT 31.8F SNOW 6:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.012 6:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.01 100| 0| 0

----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---

120121/1500Z 75 08005KT 35.6F RASN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.098 6:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.11 30| 0| 70

120121/1800Z 78 03009KT 35.4F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.224 6:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.33 0| 0|100

120121/2100Z 81 36014KT 30.7F FZRA 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.05|| 0.047 6:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.05|| 0.38 0| 0|100

120122/0000Z 84 36011KT 28.2F SNOW 6:1| 0.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.020 6:1| 0.2|| 0.00|| 0.05|| 0.40 100| 0| 0

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12z NAM

120121/1400Z 74 09007KT 32.9F 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.000 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0| 0

120121/1500Z 75 10008KT 35.4F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.004 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.00 0| 0|100

120121/1600Z 76 11008KT 37.8F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.004 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.01 0| 0|100

120121/1700Z 77 11007KT 38.1F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.004 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.01 0| 0|100

120121/1800Z 78 11008KT 38.7F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.004 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.02 0| 0|100

----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---

120121/1900Z 79 10007KT 39.6F RA39.6F IN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.004 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.02 0| 0|100

120121/2000Z 80 08005KT RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.008 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.03 0| 0|100

120121/2100Z 81 06005KT 39.0F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.035 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.06 0| 0|100

120121/2200Z 82 05005KT 38.5F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.008 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.07 0| 0|100

120121/2300Z 83 05005KT 37.8F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.004 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.07 0| 0|100

120122/0000Z 84 06005KT 37.6F RAIN 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.004 0:1| 0.0|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.08 0| 0|100

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It also seems to say the precip will fall as rain.

Surface temps are 33-35 in the City. Higher as you go east. But all other levels are well below zero.

If anything, snow will be falling, but will have a hard time accumulating on the island and around the city.

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The NAM trended quite a bit cooler actually.

It's still warm, but it's trending, which is the key detail here.

nam_namer_069_850_temp_mslp_precip.gif

Compare to 12z at 75 hours, and you will see the 850 mb temperatures are significantly warmer on 12z than 18z.

nam_namer_075_850_temp_mslp_precip.gif

It's the NAM's longer range, not surprising at all that it's still trending south. IMO the NAM is still a bit too far north, although the other models, including the ECM which until now still showed a snowstorm for the suburbs of NYC, are slowly getting a bit warmer, and based alone on my experience with model trends, I think that the models could converge somewhere around a scenario where central New England gets the most snow, with some light snow changing to rain in NYC and more snow in SNE ending as mixing.

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It's the NAM's longer range, not surprising at all that it's still trending south. IMO the NAM is still a bit too far north, although the other models, including the ECM which until now still showed a snowstorm for the suburbs of NYC, are slowly getting a bit warmer, and based alone on my experience with model trends, I think that the models could converge somewhere around a scenario where central New England gets the most snow, with some light snow changing to rain in NYC and more snow in SNE ending as mixing.

The majority of the models trended colder today for the NYC area... in fact the only model not to trend colder was the ECMWF, and that stayed the same from 00z.

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The majority of the models trended colder today for the NYC area... in fact the only model not to trend colder was the ECMWF, and that stayed the same from 00z.

Yeah, I just looked a bit more closely and the GFS did trend slightly south (so did NAM, CMC seems about the same), although it doesn't look likely IMO that this goes far south enough to become the snowstorm that yesterday's ECM run had. It's still probably going to snow though as there's still enough cold air ahead of the storm so that some snow will likely fall before any changeover, which even the NAM appears to slowly trend towards with its latest run with snow for NE NJ at hour 69 along with cold surface temps throughout most of the event.

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