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Upstate NY/North Country: Heart of Winter 2012


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Yeah, I heard Fulton got blasted. They declared a snow emergency or something right? Oh how I would love even half that just once this miserable winter!

Coop in Fulton reporting 32.5".....per the NWS BUF spotters....

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NOUS41 KBUF 301850

PNSBUF

NYZ001>008-010>014-019>021-085-310650-

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT

SPOTTER REPORTS

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY

150 PM EST MON JAN 30 2012

********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************

LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS

SNOWFALL OF

/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

NEW YORK

...OSWEGO COUNTY...

FULTON 32.5 1230 PM 1/30 CO-OP OBSERVER

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Something like 17 inches at BGM. But of course that's measuring every micron of snow that fell in January. What's really striking about this winter has been the lack of any kind of sustainable snow cover and the absence of river ice on the Susq. and Chenango.. Snow (a little), melt, rain, snow (a llittle), repeat. Can somebody give me an idea of what to expect for Feb/March around here?

BUF is going to end up with ~21" for January...which is only about 4" below normal. Not bad the way this winter was going lol.

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KALB

A WARM FRONT WILL BRING A PERIOD OF SNOW TO THIS REGION OVERNIGHT...

WITH 1-3 INCHES OF SNOW ACCUMULATION EXPECTED.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...TUESDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.

A LITTLE MORE SNOW IS EXPECTED WITH THE WARM FRONT EARLY TUESDAY

MORNING...POSSIBLY MIXING WITH SLEET. AN ADDITIONAL INCH OR SO OF

SNOW IS EXPECTED BRINGING THE TOTAL SNOWFALL TO BETWEEN 2 AND 4

INCHES. IT IS POSSIBLE SNOWFALL TOTALS COULD BE A LITTLE

HIGHER...IN WHICH CASE AN WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW WOULD

BE ISSUED.

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2.6 inches was my final... Nice plume went right from you to me..classic wnw trajectory. Sloanesville on the Schoharie/Montgomery line is right in that line of fire and had 3 inches.

I didn't expect it so it was a nice surprise.

Mostly clear and 13 degrees here now.

1st time ive seen my measurements on the NWS site lol

Picked up another inch since that, 3.2" total..

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Did some measuring a little earlier this evening and came up with about 10 inches between last night and today. Factoring in some settling this afternoon an "official" measurement would be around a foot. At least in this barren winter I have had 2 hybrid synoptic/lake effect events of a foot. Too bad we are looking at a prolonged period of above freezing temps. By the end of the week this snow will be mostly a memory.

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2.6 inches was my final... Nice plume went right from you to me..classic wnw trajectory. Sloanesville on the Schoharie/Montgomery line is right in that line of fire and had 3 inches.

I didn't expect it so it was a nice surprise.

Mostly clear and 13 degrees here now.

That band yesterday morning was pretty nice...would've been nicer to watch had it been maybe 10-20 miles further north.

Picked up 1/2" overnight...bringing my seasonal total to 12.5" :arrowhead: The good news is that means only a little more than an inch needed to beat ALB's all time seasonal low. That was 13.8" in 1912-1913.

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I believe 1912-1913 snowfall totals were taken in downtown albany . Not at the airport like they are now.

Know off the top of your head when they moved?

Here's the least 5 snowy winters on record according to the NWS...

13.8 - 1912-13

19.0 - 1988-89

24.8 - 1929-30

26.7 - 1918-19

27.4 - 1979-80

Looks like then the airport benchmark is at least over 20"

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At one point there was an early air field located near the Hudson slightly below downtown Albany I believe. Then they built the airport in Latham/Colonie where it is now. I do not know if that precursor airport was ever the place where wx obs were taken though.

Know off the top of your head when they moved?

Here's the least 5 snowy winters on record according to the NWS...

13.8 - 1912-13

19.0 - 1988-89

24.8 - 1929-30

26.7 - 1918-19

27.4 - 1979-80

Looks like then the airport benchmark is at least over 20"

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History of Albany Airport from Wikipedia:

Albany International was the first, and remains the oldest, municipal airport in the United States. In 1908 the airstrip was located on a former polo field on Loudonville Road, three miles (5 km) north of the city in the town of Colonie. In 1909, the airport was moved to Westerlo Island, which is in the city of Albany, but at that time was in the town of Bethlehem; the airport was named at this time. The airport was named after Teddy Roosevelt's son, Quentin, a fighter pilot during World War I. A $10,000 prize was established for sustained flight between Albany and New York City; Glen Curtiss achieved this feat on May 29, 1910. Other early pioneers of aviation that stopped at this early field were Charles Lindbergh, Amelia Earhart, and James Doolittle.

Mayor John Boyd Thacher II once said "a city without the foresight to build an airport for the new traffic may soon be left behind in the race for competition". He therefore decided to build in 1928 a new modern airport on the Shaker site near Albany-Shaker Road in Colonie, not far from the original polo fields used as the first site of the municipal airport. The Shakers not only sold the land used but also loaned the use of tractors and tools.

The early Albany Airport was often closed and threatened with closure which prompted repeated improvements in the late 1930s and 1940s. The airport was closed from January 1939 until December 1940, when it reopened to traffic during daylight hours only, and then with no restrictions since January 1942. The airport has not been closed (other than for weather related reasons and emergency landings) since.

The airport up until 1960 had been jointly owned and managed by the city and county of Albany. It was in 1960 that Mayor Erastus Corning 2nd ended the city's stake.

In 1962, a new terminal building was opened. There was a landside building that contained ticket counters, a coffee shop, and baggage claim on the first floor, and a restaurant, offices and viewing area on the second floor. A single-story boarding concourse extended outwards from this building. In 1968, this concourse was widened to allow more concessions and boarding space. The terminal was expanded again in 1979, with the addition of a new two-story building attached diagonally to the northwest. It contained boarding gates for Allegheny Airlines on the second floor, and baggage carousels on the first floor.

magnify-clip.pngThe main terminal building at Albany International Airport

The Albany County Airport Authority was created by the county in 1993 with a 40 year lease to operate the airport in 1996. A new terminal was begun on May 16, 1996, officially opening June 1998. It was built around the existing terminal, most of which was demolished upon its completion. Only the 1979 extension remains from the old terminal building.[5]

At one point there was an early air field located near the Hudson slightly below downtown Albany I believe. Then they built the airport in Latham/Colonie where it is now. I do not know if that precursor airport was ever the place where wx obs were taken though.

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That band yesterday morning was pretty nice...would've been nicer to watch had it been maybe 10-20 miles further north.

Picked up 1/2" overnight...bringing my seasonal total to 12.5" :arrowhead: The good news is that means only a little more than an inch needed to beat ALB's all time seasonal low. That was 13.8" in 1912-1913.

Without sounding whiney, I am now rooting for this to be the least snowy winter on record. There really is little that can be done to ressurect this wretched winter, so it would be far more interesting to break some records that I used to think were unbreakable. I'd be perfectly alright with it not snowing again this winter, the local ski resorts have already laid down their glaciers which will certainly survive until Memorial day, so I'm a happy camper for the most part.

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Without sounding whiney, I am now rooting for this to be the least snowy winter on record. There really is little that can be done to ressurect this wretched winter, so it would be far more interesting to break some records that I used to think were unbreakable. I'd be perfectly alright with it not snowing again this winter, the local ski resorts have already laid down their glaciers which will certainly survive until Memorial day, so I'm a happy camper for the most part.

I disagree...generally I'm in favor of breaking records...but this is one I will never cheer for. Even if its late April and we get 0.1" of snow that melts within an hour and that's what prevents us from securing the record...I'll take that 0.1" of snow over the record. Reason being is I just find it depressing to set a new benchmark for snow starved winters. Leading into winter...I always remind myself that even if its one of the warmest/least snowy winters on record...we're virtually guaranteed to surpass the least snowy winter by a few inches. Gives me a bit of comfort to know the worst case scenario. It's a faulty assumption as statistics will argue that the least snowy winter observed isn't necessarily the least snowy winter that is possible. But the likelihood of breaking the record or even coming that close in any given year is relatively small. So to break it really is just a reminder that the theoretical limit of snow futility is always within reach and far worse than I'm willing admit.

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Here's a nice summation from the AFD from BUF:

BOTH THE GFS AND ECMWF AND MOST ENSEMBLE MEMBERS ALLOW A POLAR

VORTEX TO DEVELOP ON OUR SIDE OF THE GLOBE AND GRADUALLY SETTLE

SOUTH TO HUDSON BAY BY DAY 10. THE ARCTIC OSCILLATION /AO/ IS

NEGATIVE AND IS FORECAST TO REMAIN SO FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AT

LEAST. THE PACIFIC NORTH AMERICAN TELECONNECTION /PNA/ IS FORECAST

TO REMAIN POSITIVE THROUGH THE SAME PERIOD WITH A MEAN RIDGE ALONG

THE WEST COAST AND AN UPSTREAM TROUGH OVER THE CENTRAL PACIFIC.

NORMALLY A NEGATIVE AO AND POSITIVE PNA WOULD BRING COLD TO OUR

REGION...HOWEVER THE MADDEN JULIAN OSCILLATION /MJO/ HAS BEEN STUCK

IN PHASE 5 AND 6 OF THE WHEELER PHASE/SPACE PLOT THROUGH MOST OF THE

WINTER...WHICH CORRELATES STRONGLY TO ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES

ACROSS THE EASTERN HALF OF THE UNITED STATES. LATEST GEFS RUNS

CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE EMERGENCE OF ANOTHER ROUND OF ACTIVE MJO

CONVECTION ACROSS THE WESTERN PACIFIC DURING THE FIRST WEEK OF

FEBRUARY...AND ALSO FORECAST THE MJO CONVECTION TO PROPAGATE EAST

THROUGH REGION 7 AND TOWARDS REGION 8 DURING THE SECOND WEEK IN

FEBRUARY.

A SIGNIFICANT SUDDEN STRATOSPHERIC WARMING EVENT JUST FINISHED UP

LAST WEEK...AND THE EFFECTS THAT HAS ON THE STRATOSPHERIC POLAR

VORTEX GRADUALLY TRICKLE DOWN TO THE TROPOSPHERE AND CAN FAVOR

DEVELOPMENT OF HIGH LATITUDE BLOCKING AND NEGATIVE AO/NAO ABOUT 3

WEEKS LATER.

IF THE MJO TRENDS AND EXPECTATIONS FOLLOWING THE STRATOSPHERIC

WARMING EVENT WERE TO VERIFY...EXPECT A TREND TOWARDS MUCH COLDER

AND MORE WINTRY WEATHER DURING THE 2ND WEEK IN FEBRUARY WHICH MAY

HAVE SOME STAYING POWER. STAY TUNED.

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Considering that we're in the heart of winter, have clear skies, and a fresh mud pack, I'm expecting temperatures to nose dive tonight into the 40's. If the winds don't pick up for a while, we might even make a run for the upper 30's.

Seriously, I would be lying if I said the 50 deg temps didn't feel nice today. Definite touch of spring in the air.

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Considering that we're in the heart of winter, have clear skies, and a fresh mud pack, I'm expecting temperatures to nose dive tonight into the 40's. If the winds don't pick up for a while, we might even make a run for the upper 30's.

Seriously, I would be lying if I said the 50 deg temps didn't feel nice today. Definite touch of spring in the air.

Felt beautiful outside today, enjoyed it throughly. Played some hockey today with some friends after work. High of 57 and sunny! All snow is completely gone except some piles. Was rather wet so was unable to put my blades on. Weather looks to continue very nice for several more days!

Friday: Partly sunny, with a high near 39.

Friday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 29.

Saturday: Partly sunny, with a high near 37.

Saturday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 27.

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 39.

Sunday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 26.

Monday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 38.

Monday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 28.

Tuesday: Partly sunny, with a high near 36.

Don't remember 4-5 days straight of temperature around 40 and sun in a long time in Feburary. :sun:

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We actually had a slightly above average January here with 38.5". Total for the season is still well below normal with 50.5", but not bad considering the situation.

This is the 4th above average snowfall January in a row. 2009, 2010, 2011, and now 2012 were all above average in terms of snowfall (but all very different beyond that).

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I never saw snow disappear as fast as the 3 inches of (primarily LES) that we got yesterday. About four hours of low/mid 40's and it was vaporized. The several inches of old hard snow wasn't touched in the woods etc.

High here was 45. Now 34.

Considering that we're in the heart of winter, have clear skies, and a fresh mud pack, I'm expecting temperatures to nose dive tonight into the 40's. If the winds don't pick up for a while, we might even make a run for the upper 30's.

Seriously, I would be lying if I said the 50 deg temps didn't feel nice today. Definite touch of spring in the air.

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We actually had a slightly above average January here with 38.5". Total for the season is still well below normal with 50.5", but not bad considering the situation.

This is the 4th above average snowfall January in a row. 2009, 2010, 2011, and now 2012 were all above average in terms of snowfall (but all very different beyond that).

Over 50 inches would be near average for KBuf, but in your neck of the woods thats far from average. Were over 35 inches here, but still about 40 inches below normal. Looks like things are looking pretty good for February though. Devin you might be right about February bringing us the most snow, especially with a wide open lake!

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I never saw snow disappear as fast as the 3 inches of (primarily LES) that we got yesterday. About four hours of low/mid 40's and it was vaporized. The several inches of old hard snow wasn't touched in the woods etc.

High here was 45. Now 34.

Our 7" of lake effect here in Oswego is down to about an inch with some significant patches of grass showing up. At least the 50 degree temperatures today felt pretty nice.

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+10C in toronto

-7C in ottawa

:arrowhead:

picked up an inch of snow here in vermont today, now its over to drizzle and mush

Story of this winter. This season has been awful in Toronto.

Still, I'm not sure if you saw my thread in the Lakes/Ohio Valley forum about how of the top 10 warmest januaries in Toronto, 7 of them were before 1945, including january 1906, 1916 and 1913!

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Story of this winter. This season has been awful in Toronto.

Still, I'm not sure if you saw my thread in the Lakes/Ohio Valley forum about how of the top 10 warmest januaries in Toronto, 7 of them were before 1945, including january 1906, 1916 and 1913!

no i didnt see that.

there is usually a difference as we know, but this year has seemed excessive.

its amazing what a snowpack can do also. ottawa managed to scrape just enough of one together in late december and its really affected ptype there since, and temps.

it is mostly grass here in northern vermont almost all the way to the champlain bridge in MTL.

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Over 50 inches would be near average for KBuf, but in your neck of the woods thats far from average. Were over 35 inches here, but still about 40 inches below normal. Looks like things are looking pretty good for February though. Devin you might be right about February bringing us the most snow, especially with a wide open lake!

KBUF averages 62" up to this point and were at 25" needless to say well below normal.i think well have above average snowfall for feb and march. I would say 40" for the two months combined which would put us at 65" for the season which is well below average but also well above the record low of 40.1" this year should def be remembered for its second half rather than its first.
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KBUF averages 62" up to this point and were at 25" needless to say well below normal.i think well have above average snowfall for feb and march. I would say 40" for the two months combined which would put us at 65" for the season which is well below average but also well above the record low of 40.1" this year should def be remembered for its second half rather than its first.

Meant at my location. But I do agree that the 2nd half will have more snowfall then the first.

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