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Jan 20th snow event


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La crosse mentioned this reminds them of the January 21st 2008 storm. Hrs on end of pixie dust in that one here while torchartie was ripping mod/heavy snow.

FROM LATE THURSDAY NIGHT INTO FRIDAY EVENING...THE MODELS CONTINUE

TO SHOW THAT A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM WILL MOVE ALONG THE STRONG

BAROCLINIC ZONE THAT RESIDES ACROSS THE AREA. THERE IS STRONG

900 TO 800 MB FRONTOGENESIS ALONG AND SOUTH OF THE INTERSTATE 90

CORRIDOR. BUFKIT MODEL SOUNDINGS SHOW THAT THERE WILL BE A VERY

DEEP DENDRITIC LAYER /UP TO 15K FEET/. IN ADDITION...THE WIND

SPEEDS BELOW 8K FEET ARE LESS LESS THAN 10 KNOTS. THIS WILL AID IN

KEEPING THE DENDRITES INTACT AS THEY FALL TO EARTH. AS A

RESULT...THINKING THERE WILL BE HIGH SNOW TO LIQUID RATIOS WITH THIS

SYSTEM. COBB DATA ONLY SUGGESTS 15-20 TO 1 WHICH SEEMS TO BE A BIT

LOW. THIS SYSTEM REMINDS ME A LOT OF THE JANUARY 21 2008 WINTER

STORM IN WHICH THE SNOW RATIOS WERE OVER 35 TO 1. FOR THE TIME BEING

WENT WITH 20-25 TO 1. THE 17.21Z SREF SHOWS THAT SOME OF THE SNOW

RATES MAY EXCEED AN INCH AN HOUR ACROSS THE SOUTHERN HALF OF

WISCONSIN BETWEEN 9 AM AND 3 PM. THIS WILL MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT

FOR THE ROAD CREWS TO KEEP UP. HOWEVER THE SREF DOES SEEM A BIT TOO

FAR NORTH WITH ITS SNOW. THE GFS INDICATES THAT THE LIQUID

PRECIPITATION WILL RANGE FROM 4 TENTHS TO A HALF INCH...AND BOTH THE

ECMWF AND NAM/WRF SUGGEST LIQUID TOTAL APPROACHING SIX TENTHS OF AN

INCH. ORIGINALLY THINKING THAT THESE TOTALS WERE A BIT TOO

HIGH...BUT ALL OF THE MODELS DO SHOW THAT THE 925 MB WINDS AND

280K-300K ISENTROPIC SURFACES HAVE STRONG MOISTURE TRANSPORT INTO

THE REGION SO THE PRECIPITATION TOTALS MAY NOT BE AS BAD AS

INITIALLY THOUGHT. AT THIS TIME THINKING THERE WILL BE A BAND OF 4

TO 8 INCHES SOUTH OF THE INTERSTATE 94 CORRIDOR. IF THIS TREND

CONTINUES...A WINTER STORM WATCH WILL LIKELY HAVE TO ISSUED.

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/current/mcview.phtml?prod=lotrad&java=script&mode=archive&frames=50&interval=30&year=2008&month=1&day=21&hour=6&minute=25

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After some further review, i really wanted to hype the ratio issue a bit more. First, lets put the last storm behind us, totally different setup (heck we were near 50 not 12 hours before on set), cold filtered in late and surfaces were wet and warm.

This go around looks close to perfect...about as big a DGZ as you see around here that coincides nicely with good lift, ice cold dry surfaces and nearly calm winds. The 20:1 talk isn't just warranted, i think we'll see better than that, especially under any banding and if lake moisture gets pulled in as mentioned by LOT.

EDIT: I see MKE is going full weenie like I just did, mentions ratios at 20:1 to start and drops a 30:1 mention in for fun.

Geos is going to slant stick a 15"er

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LOT

CONTINUE TO MONITOR LATEST TRENDS/GUIDANCE WITH THE NEXT SYSTEM TO

POSSIBLY BRING AN ACCUMULATING SNOWFALL TO THE CWA ON

FRIDAY...WITH AN INCREASED LIKELIHOOD FOR SEVERAL INCHES OF

SNOW...IN PARTICULAR FOR THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE CWA. LATEST

MODEL GUIDANCE IN FAIR AGREEMENT WITH BRINGING ANOTHER WAVE OUT OF

THE NORTHERN CONUS ON FRIDAY. THIS WAVES LOOKS TO BRING DECENT

FORCING TO THE CWA BY THE LATE MORNING ON FRIDAY...WITH BEST

FORCING APPEARING TO BE LOCATED FURTHER TOWARDS THE

ILLINOIS/WISCONSIN LINE. ALTHOUGH IT IS TOO FAR OUT TO DIAGNOSE

MESOSCALE DETAILS AT THIS TIME...SEVERAL HOURS OF DECENT FORCING

AND A RETURN OF MOISTURE WILL HELP PROVIDE THIS ACCUMULATING

SNOWFALL WITH HIGHEST AMOUNTS CURRENTLY LOOKING TO BE TOWARDS THE

ILLINOIS/WISCONSIN LINE. SEVERAL FACTORS ARE LOOKING TO BE COMING

IN LINE FOR A CHANCE AT A GOOD ACCUMULATING SNOWFALL EVENT. AS

THIS WAVE DROPS OUT OF THE NORTH...LEE TROUGHING/CYCLOGENESIS

ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS WILL HELP SETUP AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF

STRONG ISENTROPIC UPGLIDE ACROSS THE CENTRAL CONUS. NOT ONLY WILL

THIS AID IN FORCING THROUGHOUT THE EVENT...BUT WILL ALSO BRING AN

INCREASE IN MOISTURE. WHERE THIS AIR WILL BE ORIGINATING

FROM...MUCH HIGHER DEWPOINT AIR WILL RESIDE. WITH THESE FACTORS IN

PLACE...THIS SYSTEM DEFINITELY WARRANTS CLOSE ATTENTION AS THE

LIKELIHOOD OF SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL ACROSS A PORTION OF THE CWA IS

GROWING WITH EVERY MODEL RUN.

RODRIGUEZ

then after the 6z runs...

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL

549 AM CST WED JAN 18 2012

DISCUSSION

525 AM CST

A BRIEF UPDATE TO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION THIS MORNING...AFTER

ANALYZING 6Z DATA.

CONFIDENCE ONLY CONTINUES TO GROW AT THE LIKELIHOOD OF SIGNIFICANT

SNOWFALL ACROSS A PORTION OF THE AREA FRIDAY AND FRIDAY NIGHT.

WITH THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED FACTORS PERTAINING TO LEE

TROUGHING/CYCLOGENESIS AND STRONG ISENTROPIC UPGLIDE/MOISTURE RICH

AIR ACROSS THE CENTRAL CONUS...OTHER FACTORS ALSO BECOMING MORE

APPARENT WHICH ARE LEADING FOR THE POTENTIAL OF HIGHER SNOWFALL

AMOUNTS...WHICH ARE STILL ANTICIPATED OVER NORTHERN ILLINOIS.

THESE FACTORS ARE DEFINITELY INTERESTING SUCH THAT SEVERAL FORCING

MECHANISMS APPEAR TO BE FALLING IN PLACE...WITH DIFFERENT MODELS

SHOWING SIMILAR CLUES. NOT ONLY WILL THE MID LEVEL FORCING

ASSOCIATED WITH THE DROPPING WAVE AND ISENTROPIC LIFT BE IN PLACE

FOR A PORTION OF THE DAY...BUT ONCE THIS WAVE CONTINUES

SOUTHEAST...BOUNDARY LAYER FLOW MAY FLOP AROUND TO THE

NORTH/NORTHEAST. THIS WOULD AID WITH POSSIBLE LAKE ENHANCEMENT AND

SNOWFALL RATES INTO FRIDAY NIGHT.

THE DEVELOPING SURFACE LOW OVER THE PLAINS IS THEN FORECAST TO

SHIFT EAST TO THE TENNESSEE VALLEY CLOSER TO THE MIDNIGHT TIME

FRAME. IF THIS WERE TO OCCUR...IT WOULD KEEP BETTER

FORCING/DEFORMATION SNOW IN PLACE ACROSS NORTHERN ILLINOIS LATE

FRIDAY NIGHT AND ONLY ADD TO THE SNOW TOTALS. OF COURSE THERE

REMAINS SOME TIME BEFORE THIS EVENT ON FRIDAY WITH DETAILS TO

STILL UNFOLD...BUT WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE AS TO LATEST

INSIGHT TO THIS POTENTIAL SNOW.

RODRIGUEZ

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Rather poor consensus amongst the individual members (lol @ the ETAs) and with the 6z NAM coming south more, i expect it to start improving before too long.

lol i know...it had been scoring pretty damn good in the 72 hour range...i guess more of a FWIW (trust me, i want to throw it in the trash myself) and actually that was only the friggen 3Z run, so grain of salt i suppose...

i shall crawl back to my hole now . . .

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lol i know...it had been scoring pretty damn good in the 72 hour range...i guess more of a FWIW (trust me, i want to throw it in the trash myself) and actually that was only the friggen 3Z run, so grain of salt i suppose...

i shall crawl back to my hole now . . .

no big deal, it's worth throwing out there, early signs look like the 12z NAM will continue to trend south and if that's the case I'd look for the SREF mean to follow.

I'm going to toss out a trademarked too early call for our area after the 12z runs.

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12z NAM is going to be an overturned semi truck full of Oscar Meyer weenies for Chicago folks

Not seeing much of a south shift in the NAM at least in the Iowa and Minnesota areas.

correct, changes to the west are minimal but earlier NAM runs took it more due east, this is digging more ESE.

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