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Jan 20th snow event


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Sure, it just seems locked in on a drier overall solution (not so much talking about IMBY) and it does better overall at QPF without the tendency to inflate like the NAM.

You know you bring up a point though that I have started to notice with the Euro, it has been consistently light on the QPF compared to other models this winter and has ended up being too light. Might be something to keep an eye on, this current system is a good example of the Euro under doing the QPF in several locations. Not trying to justify it or say Euro is incorrect but it is something to keep an eye on. I have also noticed the Euro ensembles consistently being higher than the OP Euro, might be interesting to see what they show for QPF.

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Just for clarification, the Euro remains the best model with QPF up to 0.50", at 72 hours in the Midwest for the past month. GFS is second...NAM is junk.

m1_72h_mdw.gif

What is interesting though, is the scores drop from 48 hours in, at the 0.50" threshold: http://www.hpc.ncep..../m1_48h_mdw.gif

24 hours on in, it regains its dominance...again though the 0.50" threshold: http://www.hpc.ncep..../m1_24h_mdw.gif

Link to page: http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/rgnscr/verify.html

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Just for clarification, the Euro remains the best model with QPF up to 0.50", at 72 hours in the Midwest for the past month. GFS is second...NAM is junk.

m1_72h_mdw.gif

What is interesting though, is the scores drop from 48 hours in, at the 0.50" threshold: http://www.hpc.ncep..../m1_48h_mdw.gif

24 hours on in, it regains its dominance...again though the 0.50" threshold: http://www.hpc.ncep..../m1_24h_mdw.gif

Link to page: http://www.hpc.ncep....scr/verify.html

thanks for this, the NAM being crap is expected and i believe the Euro has held this title for some time now.

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GFS/Euro both drop .15-.2 qpf as freezing rain across central Indiana. Not talking huge amounts but enough to be a pain.

Dangit, I had a feeling that was the case just looking at the 850s. Didn't want to look at the surface Ts. Riding the edge here in LAF.

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Dangit, I had a feeling that was the case just looking at the 850s. Didn't want to look at the surface Ts. Riding the edge here in LAF.

Our forecast soundings look more snowy/sleety at this point depending on the model but we're not far.  NAM extrapolated looks like it would be zr but it's the NAM extrapolated.

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This storm reminds me of the one in Febuary 5-6th 2010. The dividing line was right along 1-70 it was supposed to change to rain, but it stayed at 32-33 all day with heavy wet snow. I ended up with about a foot, it was a few inches less about 10 miles south.

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This type of set-up is definitely favorable for a freezing rain scenario for someone with the shallow arctic air mass slow to retreat.

Agreed. There is a pretty warm pool of air aloft to the southwest, some of which will be drawn in to this system. Also not likely to be dealing with convective/heavy precip rates that could unexpectedly cool the column enough for sleet to dominate.

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Agreed. There is a pretty warm pool of air aloft to the southwest, some of which will be drawn in to this system. Also not likely to be dealing with convective/heavy precip rates that could unexpectedly cool the column enough for sleet to dominate.

:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

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GRR

plenty of cold air will be in place at the start of the extended

period. Friday could be a snowy day if certain things that the

models are showing actually happen. Arctic air will be in place...800 mb

temperatures near -20c. The next system...currently over the eastern Pacific

will move across The Rockies and emerge as low pressure in Texas. As

this system moves northeast toward the Ohio Valley. Both the European model (ecmwf)

and GFS show a fgen band developing well north of the surface low over

the northern plains and moving eastward across lower Michigan Friday. The

trowal associated with this moves across the central County Warning Area. A 3-6 inch

snow seems possible if this were to actually occur. However...fgen

bands can be really difficult to pin down days in advance...but it

serves as a starting point to look at.

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DTX,,,

A better chance for accumulating snowfall...across the southern two

thirds of the County Warning Area...will come Friday night as geopotential heights

retreat northward across the entire region. Right entrance region

dynamics are expected to stripe eastward atop increasing warm air

advection. Timing of features within the model guidance suggests a

favorable 6-12hr period for snowfall.

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Gino

MODELS ARE IN SURPRISINGLY GOOD AGREEMENT ON THEIR HANDLING OF

PACIFIC SHORTWAVE PROGGED TO BEGIN AFFECTING THE AREA FRIDAY.

CURRENT FORECAST TRACK WOULD FAVOR A BAND OF ACCUMULATING SNOW FROM

SOUTHERN MN/NORTHERN IA EAST INTO SOUTHERN WI/NORTHERN IL. HAVE

INCREASED POPS A BIT FAR NORTHERN COUNTIES...BUT IMPORTANT TO KEEP

IN MIND THAT THE SYSTEM IS FAIRLY LOW AMPLITUDE AND STILL THOUSANDS

OF MILES OFFSHORE AND UNSAMPLED BY UPPER AIR NETWORK SO FORECAST

TRACK IS FAR FROM ETCHED IN STONE. ANY SHIFT TO THE TRACK OF THIS

LOW COULD RESULT IN PRETTY BIG DEVIATIONS TO THE FORECAST.

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