brenjames Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 This is interesting. Not sure how it will effect global SST's. Or how long it will last. But global sst's definitely won't be dropping much with development's like this. The Indian Ocean also look's to have warmed up some. The Northern Hemisphere hot spot's haven't changed. Not sure how typical it is, but global sst anomaly's should go up from this. NW Atl and NW Pac continue to roast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacoman25 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Does anyone have month to date maps of NH temps? It seems like northern Asia has been very cold almost this entire month, I'd have to imagine there are pretty impressive anomalies there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT450R Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Does anyone have month to date maps of NH temps? It seems like northern Asia has been very cold almost this entire month, I'd have to imagine there are pretty impressive anomalies there. Here is month to date from weather bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacoman25 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Thanks. Yup, much of Asia cold, as well as Alaska, much of Canada and Greenland. Another month where the U.S. has been much warmer than the globe overall, story of the past 18 months or so. Although I think October finally broke that trend...and something tells me December will as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 SST anomaly's had a large drop. So 2013 definitely won't be starting crazy warm or anything but we are still well above last year with the NIna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 This was a pretty weak sauce El Nino. It will miss qualifying as an El Nino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT450R Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 UAH for November is +0.28C NH +0.30C SH +0.26C Trop +0.17C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT450R Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 UAH for December is +0.20C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeEffectKing Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Dec. GISS tumbled: Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec J-D D-N DJF MAM JJA SON Year2001 41 45 56 49 55 51 57 51 52 48 68 52 52 50 38 53 53 56 20012002 71 73 89 57 61 52 60 52 58 54 56 42 60 61 65 69 55 56 20022003 72 54 55 51 60 46 53 65 62 71 53 72 59 57 56 55 55 62 20032004 56 66 63 58 41 40 24 43 50 61 69 48 52 54 65 54 36 60 20042005 69 54 66 66 60 63 60 60 70 75 70 65 65 63 57 64 61 71 20052006 52 65 59 45 44 60 50 66 58 64 69 74 59 58 61 49 58 64 20062007 93 66 67 71 63 55 57 58 60 57 54 46 62 65 78 67 57 57 20072008 23 31 69 48 46 42 55 41 56 60 62 51 49 48 33 54 46 59 20082009 56 48 49 56 58 61 66 61 65 59 70 57 59 58 52 55 63 64 20092010 66 74 86 81 70 59 57 59 55 64 75 45 66 67 66 79 58 65 20102011 46 44 58 60 47 53 69 69 53 59 50 45 54 54 45 55 64 54 20112012 36 39 49 60 70 59 51 57 66 70 68 44 56 56 40 60 56 68 2012Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec J-D D-N DJF MAM JJA SON Year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 GISS was impressively cold for December. I wonder if that has to do with the high snow cover and resultant cold anomalies over Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Wow that's cold. Kind of odd to see that kind of drop right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 NCDC: 2012 12 0.4075 Big drop too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 GISS was impressively cold for December. I wonder if that has to do with the high snow cover and resultant cold anomalies over Asia. Yeah, that's it since these were the coldest NH December land temps since 2004. You can see how different a temperature pattern this was compared to June with the record warm NH land temps and low snow cover. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/NH.Ts.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 GISS was impressively cold for December. I wonder if that has to do with the high snow cover and resultant cold anomalies over Asia. Yeah, that's it since these were the coldest NH December land temps since 2004. You can see how different a temperature pattern this was compared to June with the record warm NH land temps and low snow cover. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/NH.Ts.txt This should be good news for your side of the debate.... The world was on the cooler side (recently speaking) and yet all locals think it was a scorcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 This should be good news for your side of the debate.... The world was on the cooler side (recently speaking) and yet all locals think it was a scorcher The last time the world saw a month on the cooler side was all the way back in 1985. December was just less above normal than in recent years. The last cold global December was back in 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The last time the world saw a month on the cooler side was all the way back in 1985. December was just less above normal than in recent years. The last cold global December was back in 1984. You missed the parenthesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 You missed the parenthesis. I see what you are saying, but the whole year was a scorcher by La Nina standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I see what you are saying, but the whole year was a scorcher by La Nina standards. Nina.png We were discussing a month, not year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I see what you are saying, but the whole year was a scorcher by La Nina standards. Nina.png That's because for more than half the year, it wasn't even a La Nina, according to the CPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 That's because for more than half the year, it wasn't even a La Nina, according to the CPC. The year finished at -0.7... Which is neutral. -0.7 for a year is less than most MONTHLY nina figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 We were discussing a month, not year.... One month has no bearing on "the debate" (scientifically) nor do I think the public really is paying attention either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 The year finished at -0.7... Which is neutral. -0.7 for a year is less than most MONTHLY nina figures. I'm not sure where you get -.7. I get -.37 using a 3 month lag. Without a lag it's like -.1. The lag is appropriate because of the lag between ONI and surface temperatures. So I'll go with a value of -.37 for the year, which is fairly weak. However a Nina is not defined by the year long ONI, it is defined by whether there are 3 months of tri-monthly ONI readings at or below -.5. The chart appears to be consistent. It also marks 1996 as a Nina year which followed a weaker Nina than the one this year. 95-96 peaked at -.9, while this year peaked at -1.0. The chart is consistent. There is no year which had a stronger Nina that was marked as "neutral." This is one of the weaker years that are marked as "Nina." While I still find the chart very informative, an even more accurate picture can be developed if we statistically adjust temperatures based on the ONI depending on the ONI reading. We can also adjust for TSI. Here is the chart that appears if we use well known statistical correlations between temperatures and the ONI and TSI to create ENSO and solar unbiased temperatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I'm not sure where you get -.7. I get -.37 using a 3 month lag. Without a lag it's like -.1. The lag is appropriate because of the lag between ONI and surface temperatures. So I'll go with a value of -.37 for the year, which is fairly weak. However a Nina is not defined by the year long ONI, it is defined by whether there are 3 months of tri-monthly ONI readings at or below -.5. The chart appears to be consistent. It also marks 1996 as a Nina year which followed a weaker Nina than the one this year. 95-96 peaked at -.9, while this year peaked at -1.0. The chart is consistent. There is no year which had a stronger Nina that was marked as "neutral." This is one of the weaker years that are marked as "Nina." While I still find the chart very informative, an even more accurate picture can be developed if we statistically adjust temperatures based on the ONI depending on the ONI reading. We can also adjust for TSI. Here is the chart that appears if we use well known statistical correlations between temperatures and the ONI and TSI to create ENSO and solar unbiased temperatures. ENSO-TSI-Volc corrected smoothed.png Is 1980 the first year pacific equatorial temps were given a correlating numerical index? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I'm not sure where you get -.7. I get -.37 using a 3 month lag. Without a lag it's like -.1. The lag is appropriate because of the lag between ONI and surface temperatures. So I'll go with a value of -.37 for the year, which is fairly weak. However a Nina is not defined by the year long ONI, it is defined by whether there are 3 months of tri-monthly ONI readings at or below -.5. The chart appears to be consistent. It also marks 1996 as a Nina year which followed a weaker Nina than the one this year. 95-96 peaked at -.9, while this year peaked at -1.0. The chart is consistent. There is no year which had a stronger Nina that was marked as "neutral." This is one of the weaker years that are marked as "Nina." While I still find the chart very informative, an even more accurate picture can be developed if we statistically adjust temperatures based on the ONI depending on the ONI reading. We can also adjust for TSI. Here is the chart that appears if we use well known statistical correlations between temperatures and the ONI and TSI to create ENSO and solar unbiased temperatures. ENSO-TSI-Volc corrected smoothed.png Thanks for posting this again. Anyway to get it out to 2012? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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