nflwxman Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 RSS for Sept '12 (bold): 2011 9 0.287 0.153 0.519 0.190 0.999 0.924 0.255 0.380 0.189 2011 10 0.087 -0.064 0.353 -0.025 0.629 0.129 -0.079 0.202 -0.033 2011 11 0.031 0.023 0.099 -0.034 0.594 -0.012 0.323 0.073 -0.014 2011 12 0.115 0.027 0.235 0.087 0.576 -0.379 0.614 0.163 0.064 2012 1 -0.059 -0.113 -0.053 -0.004 0.631 -0.552 1.593 -0.077 -0.041 2012 2 -0.122 -0.158 -0.027 -0.182 1.205 -0.191 0.630 -0.074 -0.172 2012 3 0.072 -0.123 0.321 0.030 -0.089 0.112 3.297 0.140 0.002 2012 4 0.331 -0.121 0.915 0.225 1.421 -0.047 1.750 0.532 0.122 2012 5 0.232 -0.044 0.847 -0.110 1.338 -0.241 1.383 0.551 -0.103 2012 6 0.338 -0.024 0.831 0.224 1.828 -0.087 1.202 0.535 0.132 2012 7 0.291 0.235 0.597 0.027 0.757 -0.642 1.427 0.453 0.120 2012 8 0.255 0.128 0.487 0.152 0.380 0.238 0.717 0.339 0.167 2012 9 0.383 0.208 0.618 0.333 1.029 -0.010 0.277 0.451 0.313 Thanks LakeEffect. What is the best source to retrieve the data in that format? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 RSS for Sept '12 (bold): 2011 9 0.287 0.153 0.519 0.190 0.999 0.924 0.255 0.380 0.189 2011 10 0.087 -0.064 0.353 -0.025 0.629 0.129 -0.079 0.202 -0.033 2011 11 0.031 0.023 0.099 -0.034 0.594 -0.012 0.323 0.073 -0.014 2011 12 0.115 0.027 0.235 0.087 0.576 -0.379 0.614 0.163 0.064 2012 1 -0.059 -0.113 -0.053 -0.004 0.631 -0.552 1.593 -0.077 -0.041 2012 2 -0.122 -0.158 -0.027 -0.182 1.205 -0.191 0.630 -0.074 -0.172 2012 3 0.072 -0.123 0.321 0.030 -0.089 0.112 3.297 0.140 0.002 2012 4 0.331 -0.121 0.915 0.225 1.421 -0.047 1.750 0.532 0.122 2012 5 0.232 -0.044 0.847 -0.110 1.338 -0.241 1.383 0.551 -0.103 2012 6 0.338 -0.024 0.831 0.224 1.828 -0.087 1.202 0.535 0.132 2012 7 0.291 0.235 0.597 0.027 0.757 -0.642 1.427 0.453 0.120 2012 8 0.255 0.128 0.487 0.152 0.380 0.238 0.717 0.339 0.167 2012 9 0.383 0.208 0.618 0.333 1.029 -0.010 0.277 0.451 0.313 Looks like RSS came in as the fifth warmest September. Correct me if I'm wrong. http://www.remss.com/data/msu/graphics/TLT/time_series/RSS_TS_channel_TLT_Global_Land_And_Sea_v03_3.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeEffectKing Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Thanks LakeEffect. What is the best source to retrieve the data in that format? You're welcome. Here is your requested source: http://www.remss.com...Ocean_v03_3.txt BTW, what is truly remarkable is the U.S. anomoly for March of this year......truly a historic month!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryM Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 When John Christy is the answer, it is best not to repeat the question Can I have an Amen people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 You're welcome. Here is your requested source: http://www.remss.com...Ocean_v03_3.txt BTW, what is truly remarkable is the U.S. anomoly for March of this year......truly a historic month!!! That month would make you assume the world was on fire... Just the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryM Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 That month would make you assume the world was on fire... Just the opposite. What do you mean with that sentence? Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 What do you mean with that sentence? Terry The warmth was localized over central NA. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergent Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Can I have an Amen people Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 LOL at warmers accusing John Christy of manipulating data. You guys are no better than the skeptics accusing James Hansen of manipulating the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabize Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 LOL at warmers accusing John Christy of manipulating data. You guys are no better than the skeptics accusing James Hansen of manipulating the data. That's just scandalously unfair. Hansen is an experienced, well respected scientist whose understanding of climate change is borne out by his predictions. Christy is a scientifically ignorant hack trying to implement a nonsensical political agenda at the behest of people who stand to profit from it. might as well compare Einstein with Bozo the Clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 LOL at warmers accusing John Christy of manipulating data. You guys are no better than the skeptics accusing James Hansen of manipulating the data. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Assuming that I got my math correct, the UAH Temperature anomaly after the revision is now down to only 0.12 Degrees C for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Assuming that I got my math correct, the UAH Temperature anomaly after the revision is now down to only 0.12 Degrees C for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 The work Spencer and Christy have done with satellite temperature data is accepted by the scientific community and generally regarded as being a significant contribution. The difference between Spencer/Christy and Hansen is that Spencer and Christy have published a lot of un-scientific work in journals with little or no peer review, or in books. Hansen has also written unscientific things or exaggerations in magazines and newspapers, but not to the same extent which Spencer and Christy have. Hansen's many contributions to the body of peer-reviewed work on AGW are also of much greater significance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacoman25 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 That's just scandalously unfair. Hansen is an experienced, well respected scientist whose understanding of climate change is borne out by his predictions. Christy is a scientifically ignorant hack trying to implement a nonsensical political agenda at the behest of people who stand to profit from it. might as well compare Einstein with Bozo the Clown Um, do you want me to point out all of his failed predictions? I've done it before, so if you insist, I'll be happy to again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 The work Spencer and Christy have done with satellite temperature data is accepted by the scientific community and generally regarded as being a significant contribution. The difference between Spencer/Christy and Hansen is that Spencer and Christy have published a lot of un-scientific work in journals with little or no peer review, or in books. Hansen has also written unscientific things or exaggerations in magazines and newspapers, but not to the same extent which Spencer and Christy have. Hansen's many contributions to the body of peer-reviewed work on AGW are also of much greater significance. Hansen is also different from Christy and Spencer in the sense that he has gotten arrested multiple times because of his climate change activism. Christy and Spencer are not activists, and they have not gotten arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 RSS which does not use AMSU comes in warmer for September than UAH. 2012 1 -0.0591 2012 2 -0.1218 2012 3 0.0724 2012 4 0.3312 2012 5 0.2317 2012 6 0.3378 2012 7 0.2907 2012 8 0.2552 2012 9 0.3833 That's also due to the fact that RSS uses a 1979-2000 baseline wheras UAH uses a 1979-2010 baseline. In fact, UAH would be at a 0.44 Degree C anomaly if it used a 1979-2000 baseline, so UAH is once again warmer than RSS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Christy recently told two blatant bold face lies. Not wrong a prediction but rather just horribly integrity ending lies. I would think regardless of your own personal views on global warming, you wouldn't condone bold face lies, especially to congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skierinvermont Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Hansen is also different from Christy and Spencer in the sense that he has gotten arrested multiple times because of his climate change activism. Christy and Spencer are not activists, and they have not gotten arrested. Spencer and Christy most definitely are activists for AGW-denialism. And I don't really see Hansen's arrests as any bigger deal than his environmental activism or Spencer and Christy's anti-science activism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipS Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Hansen is also different from Christy and Spencer in the sense that he has gotten arrested multiple times because of his climate change activism. Christy and Spencer are not activists, and they have not gotten arrested. You're correct - Christy and Spencer prefer talk to action, whereas Hansen is willing to risk arrest in non-violent protest against issues that are important to him. But I'm puzzled - by what twisted moral yardstick can you believe that inaction by Christy and Spencer is in any way superior to action by Hansen? Shouldn't we respect those people, like Hansen, with the strength of conviction to work for the goals they believe in - even if that means putting themselves at risk? As we Texans would say - Christy and Spencer are all hat and no cattle. And as younger folks would say - Hansen doesn't just talk the talk, he walks the walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Global_Warmer Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 You're correct - Christy and Spencer prefer talk to action, whereas Hansen is willing to risk arrest in non-violent protest against issues that are important to him. But I'm puzzled - by what twisted moral yardstick can you believe that inaction by Christy and Spencer is in any way superior to action by Hansen? Shouldn't we respect those people, like Hansen, with the strength of conviction to work for the goals they believe in - even if that means putting themselves at risk? As we Texans would say - Christy and Spencer are all hat and no cattle. And as younger folks would say - Hansen doesn't just talk the talk, he walks the walk. It's probably a bit infuriating to hate or not like Hansen and know deep down a Man in his position doing those things is the epitome of Bravery, Honor, and Courage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben4vols Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 It's probably a bit infuriating to hate or not like Hansen and know deep down a Man in his position doing those things is the epitome of Bravery, Honor, and Courage. You left off ego, delusions, illusions of grandeur and money. Also while I dislike Hansen I have no thoughts "deep down" of him being brave, honorable or courageous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben4vols Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Steve Goddard has updated his USHCN adjustments chart to include Sept. Looks like a record year of upward adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryM Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 The thread does tend to get overly serious from time to time so humor can be a welcome relief. Have you got any Bastardi Predictions to go with the Goddard Graph? Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Steve Goddard has updated his USHCN adjustments chart to include Sept. Looks like a record year of upward adjustments. Are you saying that the 'powers that be" have adjusted the USHCN readings up by more than 0.5 degrees? Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben4vols Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Are you saying that the 'powers that be" have adjusted the USHCN readings up by more than 0.5 degrees? Jon Looks like they have warmed this year about 1.75 degrees relative to 1920 (if Steve's graph is correct) and most of the 2000's by around .5 degrees. I can see that though, considering the enhanced cooling effect of Urbanization. <sarc> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben4vols Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 The thread does tend to get overly serious from time to time so humor can be a welcome relief. Have you got any Bastardi Predictions to go with the Goddard Graph? Terry Maybe Steve should put a Sine curve on the data to really get you guys howling mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Christy recently told two blatant bold face lies. Not wrong a prediction but rather just horribly integrity ending lies. I would think regardless of your own personal views on global warming, you wouldn't condone bold face lies, especially to congress. Where has he told "bold faced lies" to Congress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Maybe Steve should put a Sine curve on the data to really get you guys howling mad. I notice it took the climate center 10 days to release the climate map for September... Imo they should release it Oct 1st. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 It would be nice to see where the USHCN adjustment data is coming from on Goddard's graph...otherwise we can't really take it seriously. Adjustments should not be that high though if the graph is correct unless I am completely missing something. TOBS is much less of an issue now, and UHI should be doing that unless there was a mass relocation of urban thermometers to rural areas in the past couple of years and they are trying to keep the temp record intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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