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LongBeachSurfFreak

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Every global except the gfs gives the area a 1" type snowfall on Friday and the gfs is not far from giving it also.

Let's hope it holds or even get a qpf bump as we approach.

For what it's worth, the last 4 GFS runs did slowly trend towards more precipitation in the area. The low pressure stays to our north so it does make sense that only little snow, if any, falls, although at least from today's runs, the possibility is there that we see some snow showers on Thursday noon - Friday morning, with perhaps more than a dusting if we get lucky and the set up finally produces something more than the typical isolated flurries.

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How you going to get any snow with the 540 line going from east central PA across NYC to at 144 to south central NY by 150 hours? Unless you are talking like western PA where any substantial QPF would have fallen by 144 hrs...other wise it would signal interior icing...

u can easily have snow with something above 540

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u can easily have snow with something above 540

I would think you would want between 534 and 540 thicknesses..Just this past event in the interior region ended up being all rain because the 540 line was to the north of us while the temperatures at the surface were in the 30s.

Your 850s also go from being marginal at best to above freezing by 150 and I am talking the ECM..so i do not see how that would work out to a snow event..

And your surface temps are around 35-40 by 150 hrs say around ABE...far interior yes over western PA i could see...

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How you going to get any snow with the 540 line going from east central PA across NYC to at 144 to south central NY by 150 hours? Unless you are talking like western PA where any substantial QPF would have fallen by 144 hrs...other wise it would signal interior icing...

Our best shot is Thursday night into Friday (hour 90-102).

Let's hope the models bump a little south and bump the qpf a little.

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I would think you would want between 534 and 540 thicknesses..Just this past event in the interior region ended up being all rain because the 540 line was to the north of us while the temperatures at the surface were in the 30s.

Obviously you want sub 540dm thicknesses in an ideal situation for snow. But every event is different and you can get snow with "unsupportive thicknesses".

In this situation the Euro is showing a very quick hit of snow around 150-156 hours (assuming that's the event you're talking about)...away from the coast and the city.

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Obviously you want sub 540dm thicknesses in an ideal situation for snow. But every event is different and you can get snow with "unsupportive thicknesses".

In this situation the Euro is showing a very quick hit of snow around 150-156 hours (assuming that's the event you're talking about)...away from the coast and the city.

I consider myself away from the coast and away from the city obviously because I am not in the NYC area ..but this is what i am looking at in my region...

SAT 12Z 21-JAN -1.3 -2.7 1021 67 82 0.01 557 540

SAT 18Z 21-JAN 1.8 1.2 1015 98 100 0.32 556 544

SUN 00Z 22-JAN 2.7 1.4 1014 97 77 0.35 559 547

First is 2 meter and 2nd is the 850...

So i would consider myself interior and i do not really see that as being snow...especially when by 150 the 540 line verbatim is in south central NY...

Maybe i am wrong but i would think it would be more potential for ice or just cold rain...

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The potential Saturday event has panned out so far way closer to the GFS than the Euro, remember the Euro was very warm and north with that system a few days ago and has trended towards the GFS. If anything the Euro is better because the positioning of the high. That event has a chance with the high to the north if we can get more overrunning precip, the models will normally never fully graps how much moisture is squeezed out in these systems til late.

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