Nic Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 LOL. I was looking at Central Michgan University. http://www.cst.cmich.edu/earth_and_atmospheric_sciences/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Congrats to Alek for starting this much needed thread. Oh yeah, this is a complaint thread... Alek, you should have started it on Dec.12th instead of Jan 12th. (By the way, appropriate subtitle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Um, I didn't get enough snow with the last storm. And my ankle is still a little sore when I turned it playing basketball the other night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 They actually get bombed from time to time. Also there chances of getting ds slotted are slightly lower. They get no lake mod and get to taste true arctic air. Yes Chicago gets way better winters. It's not because of this year either. Chicago has had one nice snowfall this season after having next to none prior. Detroit still has had nearly 3 inches more on the season actually due to the nickel and diming, but this season has been an all-around suckfest anyway you look at it. Detroit still sees more snowstorms than Chicago, though ORD does seem to have a higher bomb potential. But how in the heck do you figure their chances of getting dry-slotted are lower? It is true they dont get the lake mod of arctic air. But as for the snow stats, in every single snow statistic (except the occasional bomb), Detroit beats Chicago, and snow is what I care about most in winter, so IMO Detroit is better than Chicago. Although its funny to say either has "way better winters" than the other because they are so relatively close in climate. This is a weather hobbyist picking apart statistics, the average joe would be able to tell no difference between a Chicago and Detroit winter. I browsed the f-6s, and since 2006-07, Chicago has officially had 6 storms drop 6"+, while Detroit officially has had 12 storms drop 6"+. And as posted above, Detroit averages more 1"+, 3"+, and 5"+ snowstorms per NWS NOWdata. Last 10 years snowfall: 2010-11: DTW: 69.1", ORD: 57.9" 2009-10: DTW: 43.7", ORD: 54.2" 2008-09: DTW: 65.7", ORD: 52.7" 2007-08: DTW: 71.7", ORD: 60.3" 2006-07: DTW: 30.3", ORD: 35.6" 2005-06: DTW: 36.3", ORD: 26.0" 2004-05: DTW: 63.8", ORD: 39.4" 2003-04: DTW: 24.1", ORD: 24.8" 2002-03: DTW: 60.9", ORD: 28.6" 2001-02: DTW: 33.7", ORD: 31.1" In the 10 winters preceding this one, Detroit has beaten Chicago 7 out of 10 times, and the total snowfall has been an accumulated 88.7 inches higher at Detroit than Chicago (which "averages" 8.9" per season). I will take Detroit, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 LOL. I was looking at Central Michgan University. http://www.cst.cmich...heric_sciences/ Nice school...but still you will be sorely disappointed if you expect 100"+ of snow there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Back on topic, heres a complaint lol. Have been busy the last week and got very little sleep this weekend, so decided to take a nap this afternoon. Closed the shade, full snowcover, slept a few hours, woke up, opened the shade, grass with just a few piles. Though I was completely expecting the snow to melt, no way getting around how much that sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 This winter has convinced me to try to transfer to Michigan State University at some point in my future college career. They have a meterology program and they get 100 inches of snow a year. Which would be worth it in my opinion. lol Better than the 28 inches a year in Columbus. Western Michigan is your best bet to get 100"+. Unless you want to venture to the U.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Western Michigan is your best bet to get 100"+. Unless you want to venture to the U.P. Hell it seems western MI has been doing better than most of the U.P. in recent winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hell it seems western MI has been doing better than most of the U.P. in recent winters. Still would go to the U.P schools over any school in the lower if you like snow To bring back an earlier point you made in comparison to ORD-DTW... Its a no brainier in my mind to go with DTW winters. The only thing Chicago has Colder temps in a frigid air mass while DTW is getting LES Snow showers and a monster event that rarely happens but it did happen last year and that's what I think many people are basing there opion on. Suburbs... I would most defiantly take Detroit Suburbs over Chicago's burbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Still would go to the U.P schools over any school in the lower if you like snow To bring back an earlier point you made in comparison to ORD-DTW... Its a no brainier in my mind to go with DTW winters. The only thing Chicago has Colder temps in a frigid air mass while DTW is getting LES Snow showers and a monster event that rarely happens but it did happen last year and that's what I think many people are basing there opion on. Suburbs... I would most defiantly take Detroit Suburbs over Chicago's burbs. Agree 100%. Chicago got buried with GHD, cars abandoned on Lake Shore Drive made national news. They were also the jackpot of the infamous New Years '99 blizzard. But they still get less 6"+ storms than Detroit (and fwiw I do not consider 6" anything close to nickel and diming). Even when you put aside all the snow statistics that show DTW is favored over ORD, another plus for me is cloudy days are more plentiful at Detroit. I know this sounds crazy to probably even most snow-lovers, but I LOVE a gray winter day, and not just when its snowing. Just like the lake modifies the arctic air, so too does it modify heatwaves, a huge plus for me (and f*** me for even MENTIONING summer in January lol ) One thing I will say though, I mentioned this earlier, while both ORD and DTW are wintry climates in comparison to much of the rest of the country, if anyone were to relocate soley for the purpose of winter and snow alone, neither NE IL or SE MI should be on the top of their list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 LOL. I was looking at Central Michgan University. http://www.cst.cmich...heric_sciences/ I only saw one winter there that even approached 90" and that is extremely rare at that. I don't know off hand what their average is but I would probably guess around 50-55" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I know this a little bit OT, but what do you guys think the best city in the Midwest for good synoptic snowfalls is? I know Bowme thinks it is Milwaukee, and it is certainly up there. When I think of a good synoptic snowfall, it would be 6"+ or so as many have been using. The Northwoods get lake effect snow and clippers up the wazoo, but not necessarily any more impressive number or intensity of synoptic snowfalls over 6 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 East Lansing, no way. Houghton and Michigan Tech yes, but I don't think they have meteorology. Houghton gets way more then 100 inches. probably closer to 150-200 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Ok i know they do not get 100", It does not need to be repeated over and over. I was looking at centimeters, that is what the problem is. lol I am not that serious anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Colorado State University would be amazing for snowfall, just because of the fact it could be 75F the day before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I know this a little bit OT, but what do you guys think the best city in the Midwest for good synoptic snowfalls is? I know Bowme thinks it is Milwaukee, and it is certainly up there. When I think of a good synoptic snowfall, it would be 6"+ or so as many have been using. The Northwoods get lake effect snow and clippers up the wazoo, but not necessarily any more impressive number or intensity of synoptic snowfalls over 6 inches. Synoptic snow top spot? I would say Minneapolis actually. BTW, synoptic storms do not compare to real lake effect. Lake effect is the only snow that creates mushroom topped rooves in snowbelts. Sadly we havent gotten that this year anywhere. Its not really the midwest, but Scranton,PA always does well with synoptic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I know this a little bit OT, but what do you guys think the best city in the Midwest for good synoptic snowfalls is? I know Bowme thinks it is Milwaukee, and it is certainly up there. When I think of a good synoptic snowfall, it would be 6"+ or so as many have been using. The Northwoods get lake effect snow and clippers up the wazoo, but not necessarily any more impressive number or intensity of synoptic snowfalls over 6 inches. I'd say you can find the jackpot synoptic zone of the region by drawing a line from MSP to MQT to DVN and back to MSP. That triangle is where you can get clippers, colorado lows/texas hookers, and your occasional gulf bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Synoptic snow top spot? I would say Minneapolis actually. BTW, synoptic storms do not compare to real lake effect. Lake effect is the only snow that creates mushroom topped rooves in snowbelts. Sadly we havent gotten that this year anywhere. Its not really the midwest, but Scranton,PA always does well with synoptic. It was pointed out to me how difficult it is for LES to survive a torch since it is usually so light and fluffy. Sure, the places that get it up north don't torch as much to begin with, but the fluffy snow can be melted very quickly just by jumping or stepping on it. It has its positives and negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Synoptic snow top spot? I would say Minneapolis actually. BTW, synoptic storms do not compare to real lake effect. Lake effect is the only snow that creates mushroom topped rooves in snowbelts. Sadly we havent gotten that this year anywhere. Its not really the midwest, but Scranton,PA always does well with synoptic. Actually, you have a good point. However, I think MSP averages about the same if not a tad less than MKE, and MKE gets lake enhancement just as often it does pure lake effect, and lake enhancement is part of synoptic snowfalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Actually, you have a good point. However, I think MSP averages about the same if not a tad less than MKE, and MKE gets lake enhancement just as often it does pure lake effect, and lake enhancement is part of synoptic snowfalls. MSP averages in the high 50s for snowfall (Tim posted the actual number a few days ago, I think 57"). MKE is sub 50" IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Just to try and stay positive, one of the warmest January temperatures ever recorded in Hog Town was on January 26,1950 (61F) which is coincidently around the time of January when our torch may be at its peak. February 1950 turned out well. Roger Smith all the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I know this a little bit OT, but what do you guys think the best city in the Midwest for good synoptic snowfalls is? I know Bowme thinks it is Milwaukee, and it is certainly up there. When I think of a good synoptic snowfall, it would be 6"+ or so as many have been using. The Northwoods get lake effect snow and clippers up the wazoo, but not necessarily any more impressive number or intensity of synoptic snowfalls over 6 inches. My call is Grand Rapids or Marquette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well, our winter woes here in the Pacific NW are in the process of ending... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Synoptic snow top spot? I would say Minneapolis actually. BTW, synoptic storms do not compare to real lake effect. Lake effect is the only snow that creates mushroom topped rooves in snowbelts. Sadly we havent gotten that this year anywhere. Its not really the midwest, but Scranton,PA always does well with synoptic. No.. KBTL has gotten more big events then MSP has. Talking the 18+ type bombs. Actually, you have a good point. However, I think MSP averages about the same if not a tad less than MKE, and MKE gets lake enhancement just as often it does pure lake effect, and lake enhancement is part of synoptic snowfalls. Yeah i would take se WI/MKE over MN any day. My call is Grand Rapids or Marquette This.. The zone between here, Kalamazoo, and Grand Rapids has been a hot spot for the big epic bombs. Talking Jan 67, 78, 79, 99 etc. Others too but those are the main/most known ones. Plus with Kalamazoo you will also get the lake enahanced/LES on the backside of the storm. You could not get me to live anywhere else in this region. A few spots out that way from near Kalamazoo up to Muskegon averages in the 90 - 105" range a season which is plenty enough for me. I believe Bloomingdale ( close to Kalamazoo ) averages like 94" a season. I would be perfectly happy living on the west side of Kalamazoo. Advantage with Marquette is location to the lake as it usually gives them a nice boost from system snows and ofcourse you have LES. What hurts it is it is so damn remote and thus why i much prefer W.MI on down to South Bend.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbcmh81 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 http://vimeo.com/35071569 Valdez is almost 14 FEET above normal at this point, and have almost reached their yearly average snowfall. At least someone's getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishforsnow Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Houghton gets way more then 100 inches. probably closer to 150-200 inches. I think the average is like 220, but they count that up in Painesdale south of Houghton. Painesdale is higher in elevation then Houghton. They use to take the measurements up at the airport which isn't in Houghton, but north of Hancock. It also is located in the higher elevation. The snowfall is so variable here. You can go a few feet up a hill and get a lot more. The very first snow you can tell where the higher elevation is. I seen down by the canal there wasn't any snow to be found and just go up Memorial Drive which is M26 and start to see snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishforsnow Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Michigan Tech has a research center up at the county airport, but Tech campus itself gets less snow due to being in the valley. http://www.mtu.edu/alumni/favorites/snowfall/snowfall.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtlehurricane Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Valdez is almost 14 FEET above normal at this point, and have almost reached their yearly average snowfall. At least someone's getting it. troll We got 5" and it felt like a winter wonderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 This.. The zone between here, Kalamazoo, and Grand Rapids has been a hot spot for the big epic bombs. Talking Jan 67, 78, 79, 99 etc. Others too but those are the main/most known ones. Plus with Kalamazoo you will also get the lake enahanced/LES on the backside of the storm. You could not get me to live anywhere else in this region. A few spots out that way from near Kalamazoo up to Muskegon averages in the 90 - 105" range a season which is plenty enough for me. I believe Bloomingdale ( close to Kalamazoo ) averages like 94" a season. I would be perfectly happy living on the west side of Kalamazoo. Advantage with Marquette is location to the lake as it usually gives them a nice boost from system snows and ofcourse you have LES. What hurts it is it is so damn remote and thus why i much prefer W.MI on down to South Bend.. Is the best "big cities" spot in the MW for any snow. Some might argue Cleveland. Problem with Cleveland to many Rain events/Storms missing. Also Duluth is another decent spot for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 MSP averages in the high 50s for snowfall (Tim posted the actual number a few days ago, I think 57"). MKE is sub 50" IIRC. Idk what MSP 30-yr average is, but their 125-yr avg is just 45.6". Until last winter, they were going through the same problems Toronto is, well-below normal winters. (DTW beat MSP 4 of the 6 winters before last year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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