Tullioz Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Here is that dead horse again, man keep beating that horse. All he said it was POSSIBLE heck he mentioned next weekend as well so beat it some more. No different than anybody on here but you keep worrying about it as all others have moved on. But wxii did have 62 and sunny for today last week as did wfmy since you keeping up with it. Van did have 40's but again who cares Not beating a dead horse, I just posted this for verification purposes and to point out that it is better to be safe than sorry when you are in the public eye. As you can see even Van had to take the time to explain his position. Had he not included it in his forecast he would not have had all of the comments yesterday asking where's the snow. I also noticed that he removed all of the posts of those who were asking yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POWERSTROKE Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Not beating a dead horse, I just posted this for verification purposes and to point out that it is better to be safe than sorry when you are in the public eye. As you can see even Van had to take the time to explain his position. Had he not included it in his forecast he would not have had all of the comments yesterday asking where's the snow. I also noticed that he removed all of the posts of those who were asking yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarheelwx Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I don't need to hear my weather radio regurgitated by another ocm. I'd rather hear about potential events than the same old same old. If we used Tu's preference, the forecast would just be 50 and PC in the long range and start working it as you get closer. Enouogh of that. tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isopycnic Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 lolZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tullioz Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I don't need to hear my weather radio regurgitated by another ocm. I'd rather hear about potential events than the same old same old. If we used Tu's preference, the forecast would just be 50 and PC in the long range and start working it as you get closer. Enouogh of that. tw I never said I did not like to hear of potential events, I even stated earlier in this thread that I prefer Van over the other mets in the triad. I have heard all of them discuss potential at one point or another, however; Van usually goes into more detail. But to actually put frozen precipitation in the forecast is another issue as Van did in this case and another time back in late December for an early January threat. Both times there has been little support for the systems to actually pan out. The reason the other's rehash the NWS forecast is because that is the most realistic outcome, whether that is what we as weather enthusiasts want to hear or not. The general public would rather hear the most likely forecast since they use the on air weather forecast for planning purposes, and not watching for some fantasy storm that a single model throws out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Still, I am very careful to point out that it is a long ways off and LIKELY to change. No one should be let down when those types of qualifiers are added. I stressed that part so much that even Julie and Kevin picked on me about it......But, I know it is necessary as many people just don't hear that part or understand High chance vs. Low Chance. The bold part is the point I was trying to make all along, and is why it is better not to put frozen precipitation in a forecast 7 or 8 days out. Dumbing things down for the morons has become the American way. Some like it, some don't. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tullioz Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Looks like Van may be rethinking the way he shares information with the public. Saw this comment on his Facebook page this AM. Van Denton FOX8 WGHP TV Thank you Tammy. However, I am unsure if I should keep sharing these types of things. Too many people take it out of context and start saying things like......"You said it was going to snow"........"You disappointed me by calling for snow and it didn't"......."You disappointed my kids by saying it would snow and we got nothing". If people would read carefully, I use words like IF....COULD......MIGHT........when dealing with long range model(s).....that is the best that you can do. Models change with every update. But, if you see a trend...you MAY be on to something and give people more heads up. Still, there is No Guarantee. I just figure that most people understand. I hope. 13 hours ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongwxnc Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I do not live in this guys area of the state.. But, the people he is referring to fall into most people I talk to about the weather. People in general have no idea how difficult it can be to forecast the weather (in the short range and/or the long range 4+ days). I stop long ago trying to defend on air weather folks. Looks like Van may be rethinking the way he shares information with the public. Saw this comment on his Facebook page this AM. Van Denton FOX8 WGHP TV Thank you Tammy. However, I am unsure if I should keep sharing these types of things. Too many people take it out of context and start saying things like......"You said it was going to snow"........"You disappointed me by calling for snow and it didn't"......."You disappointed my kids by saying it would snow and we got nothing". If people would read carefully, I use words like IF....COULD......MIGHT........when dealing with long range model(s).....that is the best that you can do. Models change with every update. But, if you see a trend...you MAY be on to something and give people more heads up. Still, there is No Guarantee. I just figure that most people understand. I hope. 13 hours ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpiemaniac Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Looks like Van may be rethinking the way he shares information with the public. Saw this comment on his Facebook page this AM. Van's latest ordeal with Facebook users is further proof of the First Law of Social Interaction: Most people are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopack42 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Have you guys read some of the comments underneath the maps he posted on the FB page? Some are hilarious. Example.... Vlad...you accused me of bullying over calling someone ignorant. Ok. I should not have addressed an individual directly, and I removed the post which contained the name. However, you retort by using the same tactics of which you find off...ensive (i.e. calling me an idiot, loser, moron, and the like). I find that a little hypocritical. I find it difficult to understand why people come here to ask a meteorologist things like "is it going to rain on MY lawn at 7:45pm because we are having the horseshoe league championships going on at my house" or "Van, you said it was going to be 54 degrees yesterday and it was 44 so I didn't take a heavy enough coat to the rodeo". If I am a loser for taking the time to point out those who always ask "What about ME, Van...What is going to happen to ME, huh?" then fine, I am a loser. Do not discount the loser who wants to know how many drops of rain are going to fall on the squash they just planted in their back yard. I'm probably just saying what Van wishes he could say to people, but can't because he is having to focus on getting the 3 degree guarantee right so that people don't run out getting frost bite from wearing shorts when it's 20 outside." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tullioz Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Have you guys read some of the comments underneath the maps he posted on the FB page? Some are hilarious. Yes, there are some that are pretty hilarious, but what is even more hilarious is him posting the NOGAPS to show the potential for snow over the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Looks like Van may be rethinking the way he shares information with the public. Saw this comment on his Facebook page this AM. Van Denton FOX8 WGHP TV Thank you Tammy. However, I am unsure if I should keep sharing these types of things. Too many people take it out of context and start saying things like......"You said it was going to snow"........"You disappointed me by calling for snow and it didn't"......."You disappointed my kids by saying it would snow and we got nothing". If people would read carefully, I use words like IF....COULD......MIGHT........when dealing with long range model(s).....that is the best that you can do. Models change with every update. But, if you see a trend...you MAY be on to something and give people more heads up. Still, there is No Guarantee. I just figure that most people understand. I hope. 13 hours ago Sorry, but anyone can use those words and be a weather forecaster. It might, could, maybe do anything. What's the point of even bringing it up if you can just say,"Well, I said it MIGHT happen." I don't even see the point of using the models more than 24 hours out if all you are going to say is it might, could, maybe do something. The sun might, could, maybe explode tomorrow, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarheelwx Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Sorry, but anyone can use those words and be a weather forecaster. It might, could, maybe do anything. What's the point of even bringing it up if you can just say,"Well, I said it MIGHT happen." I don't even see the point of using the models more than 24 hours out if all you are going to say is it might, could, maybe do something. The sun might, could, maybe explode tomorrow, too. Might as well shut this site down then as most every reputeable poster uses the same language. About the only one who goes out and puts a stake in the ground in the lr is JB and we know how that works out. I applaud Van for his willingness to at least mention the "what ifs". The others don't have the gumption (I'll be nice) to even mention it or to make the long term call outside of a continuing pattern or climo. TW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgertime Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Sorry, but anyone can use those words and be a weather forecaster. It might, could, maybe do anything. What's the point of even bringing it up if you can just say,"Well, I said it MIGHT happen." I don't even see the point of using the models more than 24 hours out if all you are going to say is it might, could, maybe do something. The sun might, could, maybe explode tomorrow, too. I vote you become Chief Meteorologist for the channel Brick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randlemanncwx Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I have to say I have listened to Van for years, as well as other meteorologist. JB and I are friends. All of the meteorologist go out on a limb on their forecast and all of them have been wrong even as far as 12 hours out. Does that mean that they do not know the weather, not at all. What it means to me is that the weather is very complicated and can change very fast. I am not a meteorologist, but I admire all of you for the work that all of you put into your weather forecast. Yes, "It might, could, maybe do anything.." does not make it a black and white forecast, but at least it gives a lot of options to people like me to consider. I am retired with 34 years in law enforcement in North Carolina. There is one thing for sure, weather was much more unpredictable than my job was. My hat is off to all of the meteorologist and keep up the good work. Okay, I am off my soap box now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Models showing best shot at snow so far this winter next Tuesday, and Van has 30% showers high 50? One model couple times this winter showed hint in 8 days and he puts it in the forecast? I don't get it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Models showing best shot at snow so far this winter next Tuesday, and Van has 30% showers high 50? One model couple times this winter showed hint in 8 days and he puts it in the forecast? I don't get it!!! Van got clobbered on Facebook for mentioning snow 8 days out and it didn't happen even though he clearly stated it was only shown on one model and might be gone tomorrow. So from now on he isn't gong to speculate. Once again the forecast is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Those that can't listen for content and only see the little picture of a snowflake eight days away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Van got clobbered on Facebook for mentioning snow 8 days out and it didn't happen even though he clearly stated it was only shown on one model and might be gone tomorrow. So from now on he isn't gong to speculate. Once again the forecast is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Those that can't listen for content and only see the little picture of a snowflake eight days away. Yea, I understand that, But what models showing today you would think he would have high near 40 or so, not 50? But he may be right! I know people take Mets out of context all the time, like you said can't listen just see picture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yea, I understand that, But what models showing today you would think he would have high near 40 or so, not 50? But he may be right! I know people take Mets out of context all the time, like you said can't listen just see picture... Toeing the line. NWS Raleigh Tuesday: A chance of rain. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 50. Chance of precipitation is 40%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Toeing the line. NWS Raleigh Tuesday: A chance of rain. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 50. Chance of precipitation is 40%. Safety! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POWERSTROKE Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 yep he said he is going have to quit saying anything about snow because many were making rude comments when he would only say "possible" snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Safety! Yeah. I heard he got some grief at the station because of all the e-mails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG FROSTY Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Toeing the line. NWS Raleigh Tuesday: A chance of rain. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 50. Chance of precipitation is 40%. The ole safetycast! Buy if you ever going to take a chance on being first one in the media to mention snow I think he had a decent opportunity today? JMO, I like Van throwing it out there. If not we might as well just listen to NOAA. Van is really the only one that forecasts on what he thinks in this area, The others are nothing but NOAA forecast.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 The ole safetycast! Buy if you ever going to take a chance on being first one in the media to mention snow I think he had a decent opportunity today? JMO, I like Van throwing it out there. If not just listen to NOAA!!! At the moment I think he's more concerned about being the first to be unemployed. I wouldn't look to FOX8 to be the first to mention snow again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POWERSTROKE Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 The ole safetycast! Buy if you ever going to take a chance on being first one in the media to mention snow I think he had a decent opportunity today? JMO, I like Van throwing it out there. If not we might as well just listen to NOAA. Van is really the only one that forecasts on what he thinks in this area, The others are nothing but NOAA forecast.... yep so true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POWERSTROKE Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 At the moment I think he's more concerned about being the first to be unemployed. I wouldn't look to FOX8 to be the first to mention snow again this year. I doubt that. That is a family down there and they are very close. Karen Adams is general manager there that loves him and his opinions. He just said the comments were offensive on FB. Forget his forecast he is just a great guy. I went down there to deliver gifts and he took me in his office two years ago and showed me all of the models and how he puts them on the air. He is a huge snow weenie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isopycnic Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I doubt that. That is a family down there and they are very close. Karen Adams is general manager there that loves him and his opinions. He just said the comments were offensive on FB. Forget his forecast he is just a great guy. I went down there to deliver gifts and he took me in his office two years ago and showed me all of the models and how he puts them on the air. He is a huge snow weenie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Queen Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I think it's sad the poor guy has to hold off on discussing anything possible, because people are stuid and can't read and hold him to things literally! I guess they sucked the fun right out his job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tullioz Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I think it's sad the poor guy has to hold off on discussing anything possible, because people are stuid and can't read and hold him to things literally! I guess they sucked the fun right out his job! This is the outcome I was expecting when I first saw Powerstroke mention that Van had put mixed precipitation in the forecast 8 days ahead of the event. You could see it coming a mile away. This is exactly why I said it is always better to play it safe when you are forecasting weather in the public sector and in position that has a huge following. He really paid for it on Saturday when the complaints started rolling in on Facebook. He has since deleted most of them. It is like everyone saw the forecast eight days earlier and never bothered to check it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Queen Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 This is the outcome I was expecting when I first saw Powerstroke mention that Van had put mixed precipitation in the forecast 8 days ahead of the event. You could see it coming a mile away. This is exactly why I said it is always better to play it safe when you are forecasting weather in the public sector and in position that has a huge following. He really paid for it on Saturday when the complaints started rolling in on Facebook. He has since deleted most of them. It is like everyone saw the forecast eight days earlier and never bothered to check it again. ha ha..somehow I knew you would come back with this "I told you so" and get the last word in ....I saw your point before, but the other point is what I mentioned before, that when mets play it safe and don't mention a possibiity and suddenly a day or before say, Oh..it's looking like snow now, people are like, wow.where did that come from, they were calling for 50 degrees and rain all week! That can be just as annoying, and can reflect just as poorly on the met IMO. I think it's all in how people perceive it, so there isn't really a right or wrong way to forecast, it's all a matter of a persons preference which is why luckily, we all have the choice to follow the met of our choice. I personally like the way Van forecasts and gives us insight in advance. It is truly unfortunate that people can't understand it is weather, and weather changes constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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