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Next week ... Cold temps, but will it snow?


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the euro is actually stronger and further west in the upper levels with the ridge... wes has mentioned that the euro tends to be overdone with ridges at that range. if the euro is indeed overdone, then we'd have a flatter ridge and less chance of CAD

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the euro is actually stronger and further west in the upper levels with the ridge... wes has mentioned that the euro tends to be overdone with ridges at that range. if the euro is indeed overdone, then we'd have a flatter ridge and less chance of CAD

Euro is usually more bullish (bias) with east coast troughing and sw us troughing. If anything, the euro would probably have a better CAD handle, but again..we are talking about day 7+ op runs, which doesn't mean much. The ensembles had it too.

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the euro is actually stronger and further west in the upper levels with the ridge... wes has mentioned that the euro tends to be overdone with ridges at that range. if the euro is indeed overdone, then we'd have a flatter ridge and less chance of CAD

Who cares? Difference between 50 and 60? I like my rain warm

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Well you use 284 GFS progs to verify temps and storms..tit for tat?

No, I look at it for a rough pattern, not talking about temps.

At the time I posted that...a lot of you were on the blizzard train through March....was using it to point out things would probably break up after the initial cold shot...worked out okay.

I'll go take a look at 320 hour 2m temps right now.

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Maybe snowpack helping? You are like 3 colder than ORH..but I suspect ORH temp sometimes.

Possibly a lame thermometer for me as well. But the mesomap has a number of 10s, 11s, and a few 9s up thoward the NH border

Wachusett's website has a reading of 0F, but I am not sure what thermometer that is hooked up to. Summit? The cafeteria's freezer?

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Maybe snowpack helping? You are like 3 colder than ORH..but I suspect ORH temp sometimes.

I was thinking about this this morning. Do models take into account snowpack when forecasting temps?

Also, What are some other "intangible data" that affects forecasts but can't be imported into the computer as model data?

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the euro is actually stronger and further west in the upper levels with the ridge... wes has mentioned that the euro tends to be overdone with ridges at that range. if the euro is indeed overdone, then we'd have a flatter ridge and less chance of CAD

Alaska cant afford anymore snow....

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/317860

20 feet of snow since January 5th

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I was thinking about this this morning. Do models take into account snowpack when forecasting temps?

Also, What are some other "intangible data" that affects forecasts but can't be imported into the computer as model data?

As far as I know..computer models do factor that in, in some shape or form. It has to do with albedo and I think climo too. I may be wrong though..I never looked into that.

Edit: you are thinking of MOS. In a sense..MOS would probably take snow into account,especially in NNE since it is a statistical product and we obviously know NNE is supposed to have snowpack. But MOS also takes into account current regimes, so sometimes in a warm pattern..it may not be cold enough when we finally get a cold shot. MOS is a very complicated product, but an awesome tool.

As far as other intangibles...models sometimes cannot see mesoscale details simply because the resolution isn't good enough. They are pretty dam good at "hinting" at it, but may not resolve the finer details. Examples would be cold seabreeze in the spring time, and elevation icing in central mass. In those cases, the forecaster must take into account past experience.

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