40/70 Benchmark Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Weenie goggles? There have been some horrific winters in the past... particularly in the 70s and 80s. We're due for some big clunkers. Not imho.....we were due for one and this maybe hit. Consider we're we are with regard to the decadal oscillations....it's akin to the early 60's when we were entering into the same regime. The 60's did not feature many lean years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 We had a snowless Dec and first half of Jan 5 years ago? I honestly do not remember that We most certainly did. It wasn't until Valentines Day before we got widespread siggy snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 We most certainly did. It wasn't until Valentines Day before we got widespread siggy snow. Winter 2006 to 2007Feb 2-3, 2007Feb 14, 2007 ... MAP... MAP 2Feb 22-23, 2007Feb 26, 2007Mar 02, 2007 Multi Hazard Event!Mar 16-17, 2007 ...MAP... MAP 2Mar 19, 2007Mar 24-25, 2007April 15, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Not imho.....we were due for one and this maybe hit. Consider we're we are with regard to the decadal oscillations....it's akin to the early 60's when we were entering into the same regime. The 60's did not feature many lean years. Yeah but we still had them. 3/4 winters so far had 25% or more greater. We were due for a clunker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 We had a snowless Dec and first half of Jan 5 years ago? I honestly do not remember that I had seen measurable by this point....1.5" on Dec 30th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCloser24 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 The winter of 06-07 was pretty much nonexistent until late january or early february. Then we had major winter storms during the mid month periods of February, March and April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 00z Euro Ens sort of have what I was concerned about yesterday D11-15 with a crushed SE ridge and a somewhat quiet pattern in terms of storminess I think. If there is a wintry storm threat it may be around D10-D11 before heights begin to fall more across the east coast. If the PV can stay near Hudson bay..I think we'll be ok. Maybe not every other day storms, but some disturbances would round the bend I think. We don't want it in Quebec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 We most certainly did. It wasn't until Valentines Day before we got widespread siggy snow. 06-07, I remember it well, But would really like to forget it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Yeah but we still had them. 3/4 winters so far had 25% or more greater. We were due for a clunker. If you go through an look at the years there have been a number of seasons that have been in the 31-40" range for BDL and BOS and many below that as well. Those are pretty crappy. We've been used to these overperforming winters of later lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Yeah but we still had them. 3/4 winters so far had 25% or more greater. We were due for a clunker. No, we didn't....or at least I didn't. 1962-63 was my worst winter of the decade.....52.9" Roughly 10" below normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 If the PV can stay near Hudson bay..I think we'll be ok. Maybe not every other day storms, but some disturbances would round the bend I think. We don't want it in Quebec. Agreed. Interesting to see the GEFS pop a +PNA and get rid of the SE Ridge through D16. I think we could see a decent clipper system on MLK day give or take a day... but I think a weak +PNA pattern may bore us in terms of storminess with below avg heights down to FL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 We most certainly did. It wasn't until Valentines Day before we got widespread siggy snow. Yes. I recall it well as it was my first year at my current job and I carpooled with a guy who drove like an absolute maniac. I recall being dropped off in a sleety mess around or on Valentine's Day and thinking "what a miserable first storm of the year." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 We most certainly did. It wasn't until Valentines Day before we got widespread siggy snow. I had seen measurable by this point....1.5" on Dec 30th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 We most certainly did. It wasn't until Valentines Day before we got widespread siggy snow. So that winter BDL,ORH and BOS all had no measurable snow between Dec 1 and Jan 15th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 No, we didn't....or at least I didn't. 1962-63 was my worst winter of the decade.....52.9" Roughly 10" below normal. If you cherry pick the 60s..we had many good years. '62-'63 was the worst. The 50s had clunkers..more than the 60s. The 60s however did not feature these significantly overperforming winters. Everything evens out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I mean significant snow. This winter imo has been worse so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 If you cherry pick the 60s..we had many good years. '62-'63 was the worst. The 50s had clunkers..more than the 60s. The 60s however did not feature these significantly overperforming winters. Everything evens out. That was the context of my comment....I said this period is akin to the early 60's. You missed my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I mean significant snow. This winter imo has been worse so far. I agree, but Kev said MEASURABLE....which '07 had by this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Not imho.....we were due for one and this maybe hit. Consider we're we are with regard to the decadal oscillations....it's akin to the early 60's when we were entering into the same regime. The 60's did not feature many lean years. Yeah but we still had them. 3/4 winters so far had 25% or more greater. We were due for a clunker. If you cherry pick the 60s..we had many good years. '62-'63 was the worst. The 50s had clunkers..more than the 60s. The 60s however did not feature these significantly overperforming winters. Everything evens out. I was focusing on that period....doesn't mean we will have NO clunkers for the next 10 years, but since we have just entered into the neg portion of the NAO's decadal cycle, I would not bet on many of them over the course of the nest 10 yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCloser24 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 We have had significant snow already it just wasn't during the winter, but during autumn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 We have had significant snow already it just wasn't during the winter, but during autumn. Not all of us. BOS booked 1 inch. I had about 2 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah440 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I remember it well, But would really like to forget it Snowpack was actually much worse than it is right now this time in 2007. It was a horrible winter through this date and it wasn't until mid to late Feb that most of the VAST trails were even open. Such short memories, that was a horrid winter. Sure, might have had a few more flakes in the air, but the net net was just as bad if not worse (time will tell). 2004 wasn't much better at this time either. No snowmobiling to be had virtually anywhere. Both yrs, 2007 and 2004 the ground was bare in most of SNE through mid Jan. http://www.nohrsc.no...ont=0&js=1&uc=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 So that winter BDL,ORH and BOS all had no measurable snow between Dec 1 and Jan 15th? I think 1980 is better analog to this winter, especially here in CT. If you look at HFD, they only had a T for all of Dec: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-C864FC9B-7854-4A82-B5F3-D68072CF9361.pdf And then they 0 (ZERO) for Jan: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-CAB22ACC-098E-4997-989C-2D329B95EB97.pdf February wasn't better, but there was snow (it's missing on this record): http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-A6C40609-8EBF-4070-8D98-DEAABC35DB4A.pdf March improved though: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-7F50F727-6A3A-4A52-92D3-CD7EDFC99B14.pdf It wasn't as bad for the rest of the state but I'm using this as an example. You can have snowless months in Winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I was focusing on that period....doesn't mean we will have NO clunkers for the next 10 years, but since we have just entered into the neg portion of the NAO's decadal cycle, I would not bet on many of them over the course of the nest 10 yrs. I was responding to the comment of you saying we were not due for big clunkers. I think you used the 60s and the decadal regime as a reason why were aren't due for clunkers, but I didn't necessarily agree with that assessment. At least that's how I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I think the 0.6" in January 2007 was my biggest snowfall up to that point. I had a couple of tenths here and there in December 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 The 50s were a -nao decadal regime with some crappy years too. I guess you responded to the terms "Clunkers" as if he expected many of them. I see what you mean now. We were due, but I do agree that the risk is more towards greater than normal snowfall vs less than normal snowfall over the next 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah440 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I think the 0.6" in January 2007 was my biggest snowfall up to that point. I had a couple of tenths here and there in December 2006. 2006-2007 was one of the worst winters in my memory. Shortest snowmobiling season I can recall in 20 yrs. Not a single SAM trail open until LATE FEB. That winter still very fresh in my mind for sure. Spent a good $600 on tune ups and rode once all season. http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/snow-info2.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Snowpack was actually much worse than it is right now this time in 2007. It was a horrible winter through this date and it wasn't until mid to late Feb that most of the VAST trails were even open. Such short memories, that was a horrid winter. Sure, might have had a few more flakes in the air, but the net net was just as bad if not worse (time will tell). 2004 wasn't much better at this time either. No snowmobiling to be had virtually anywhere. Both yrs, 2007 and 2004 the ground was bare in most of SNE through mid Jan. http://www.nohrsc.no...ont=0&js=1&uc=0 That is one of my favorite sites for snowpack, It was worst, But we are getting close this winter so far, There is very limited riding if you know where to go but its not much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleetussnow Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 2006-2007 was one of the worst winters in my memory. Shortest snowmobiling season I can recall in 20 yrs. Not a single SAM trail open until LATE FEB. That winter still very fresh in my mind for sure. Spent a good $600 on tune ups and rode once all season. http://www.erh.noaa....now-info2.shtml Mine are loaded, serviced, and pointed north. My kids are freaking out!! the lake effect for the Tug Hill was not widespread enough to go this weekend, which is our usual first family trip. Next weekend doesn't look much better....Hell or high water, we go the following weekend even if it is rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah440 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 That is one of my favorite sites for snowpack, It was worst, But we are getting close this winter so far, There is very limited riding if you know where to go but its not much yeah for up around your area there's always a few places to find the secret snow. But not worth it for me. Too far to travel and I'm not that hardcore of a sledder. I enjoy the local deer runs of western mass and the nostalgia of it all. But I have been up in your neck of the woods in the past and know of what you speak. yeah, that site is great and seems to be fairly accurate. I've used it for a number of years to target where to ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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