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Early Jan cold and/or snow threat


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GFS has fooled me too many times. I certainly hope it is correct but it needs to start showing up in that 250+ time frame and not 350hr time frame.

I agree. We'll have to keep checking it in about a week to see if its still there, but now its getting into the stage where its atleast showing up in the Day 11 range. Here's an animation showing days 11 through 14 (couldn't get 15). If this were right, we'd be making a run at a great pattern. The holy grail of all time snow + cold patterns in the southeast and east Coast was late Feb to March 1960, and the GFS looks roughly similar....not exact though. I'm definitely not saying that will happen again , as much as it would make everybodys Winter on the board, that was the perfect setup, but its fun to look at how close the upper features could line up anywhere near close to that epic period again. Who knows one day it probably will, don't know if we'll live to see it though. But a block in Alaska or just north of Alaska and another area of strong ridging on the opposite side of the globe helps to create a suppressed storm track for the U.S. I suppose there could be such a big block there though, and a strong ridge in the Southeast, creating a very warm pattern, but so far the GFS has been keeping us cold at those time frames. Get this look at 5h, and we'd most certainly head into a winter storm pattern. Now we just need to bring it into a realistic time frame, say under 10 days. Keep rooting this type of look on if you want to see one extreme weather pattern, plus the time frame couldn't be better...January and into February (since blocking lingers for weeks), as opposed to March. Just for fun now though. Enjoy (while its still there!) :snowwindow:

March 1960 heights:

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Current GFS days 11-14:

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The new Euro weeklies out during the overnight probably have many easterners considering jumping off of buildings... :axe: It does not look a whole lot different than it did at the beginning of December so we are just going to have to hope for a continuation of the stormy pattern if this verifies...The ensembles still at least show some hope of a change in the Day 11+ range so I am not necessarily a strong believer in this run of weeklies yet. I do, however, blame this on a coworker who bought her first snowboard just before winter...

2008 has been bandied about some...we had a very similar sharp cold burst right at the new year followed by a dramatic rebound much like next week...we did see some decent cold later in January 2008 but I have not looked at that pattern at all other than knowing the ENSO signatures are somewhat similar.

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Good morning all, pretty brutal overnight afd from GSP. My saying of the winter so far....Oh well there is always the following week!

MAXES FOR TUE WILL BE

ABOUT 10 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL...BUT APPARENT TEMPS SHOULD MAKE IT

FEEL ABOUT 10 DEGREES COLDER THAN THAT.

I'd say 10 degrees below normal is a bit conservative. Raw GFS has a high of 33 and GFS MOS MEX has the high at 29 for Tues at CLT...which is more like 20 deg below normal.

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I'd say 10 degrees below normal is a bit conservative. Raw GFS has a high of 33 and GFS MOS MEX has the high at 29 for Tues at CLT...which is more like 20 deg below normal.

I agree. The GFS has our area around Freezing. GFS has an excellent track record during the 6 big cold outbreaks of 2010 and 2011, in each one is was dead on from 3 days out, so we'll see what it does today.

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The new Euro weeklies out during the overnight probably have many easterners considering jumping off of buildings... :axe: It does not look a whole lot different than it did at the beginning of December so we are just going to have to hope for a continuation of the stormy pattern if this verifies...The ensembles still at least show some hope of a change in the Day 11+ range so I am not necessarily a strong believer in this run of weeklies yet. I do, however, blame this on a coworker who bought her first snowboard just before winter...

2008 has been bandied about some...we had a very similar sharp cold burst right at the new year followed by a dramatic rebound much like next week...we did see some decent cold later in January 2008 but I have not looked at that pattern at all other than knowing the ENSO signatures are somewhat similar.

Thanks for the update. Hopefully the ENS is correct and we can get what the GFS is hinting at.

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The new Euro weeklies out during the overnight probably have many easterners considering jumping off of buildings... :axe: It does not look a whole lot different than it did at the beginning of December so we are just going to have to hope for a continuation of the stormy pattern if this verifies...The ensembles still at least show some hope of a change in the Day 11+ range so I am not necessarily a strong believer in this run of weeklies yet. I do, however, blame this on a coworker who bought her first snowboard just before winter...

2008 has been bandied about some...we had a very similar sharp cold burst right at the new year followed by a dramatic rebound much like next week...we did see some decent cold later in January 2008 but I have not looked at that pattern at all other than knowing the ENSO signatures are somewhat similar.

Does she still have the receipt and is it too late to take back?

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The new Euro weeklies out during the overnight probably have many easterners considering jumping off of buildings... :axe: It does not look a whole lot different than it did at the beginning of December so we are just going to have to hope for a continuation of the stormy pattern if this verifies...The ensembles still at least show some hope of a change in the Day 11+ range so I am not necessarily a strong believer in this run of weeklies yet. I do, however, blame this on a coworker who bought her first snowboard just before winter...

2008 has been bandied about some...we had a very similar sharp cold burst right at the new year followed by a dramatic rebound much like next week...we did see some decent cold later in January 2008 but I have not looked at that pattern at all other than knowing the ENSO signatures are somewhat similar.

You know what you must do. The snowboard must be given willingly by the coworker to you. Then it must be mailed to someone in the mid-Atlantic region, preferably in Richmond or DC. Once this is done, the models will then begin showing false snowstorms for us to follow again.

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Still a very cold day showing up, slightly colder in NC and SC this run. It has -16 at 850 coming into western NC including the western Piedmont on Tuesday morning. It shows surface temps remaining below 32 in Charlotte and all points west Tuesday.

Also has very high sustained winds in the northern mountains, probably 35 to 40 knots. So wind chills will be well below zero there.

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I'm relieved it was your co worker! I got up enough wood up over the summer to burn for years, plus I bought a snow tire, so I was thinking I might be partially at fault :) 'Tho I think the snow tire actually enhance the chances for epic!!

Gfs is doing ok in the short range. I'm in heavy cloud cover, and it looks like I could see some drizzle at some point. Although that tongue of moisture was up higher in earlier model runs. T

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