Brian5671 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Not the sun angle thing again. Like Trials and Brian just said, if it snows hard, it will stick. We have seen storms in March and April. yep. Many times. I do agree that a light event would have issues in March or april unless it was bitter cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 WHAT? Minimum first week of March. We have had plenty of storms after presidents day. Please..... and the sun angle argument has been debunked time and time again. If it snow hard enough it sticks. Go back to crying about your floods. Nice....you disagree with my statement by one week, that's a good reason to get all nasty Central Park has recorded more than 12" of snow in March only once since 1970 and has recorded 6.0" or greater only ten times since 1970. It's too bad I cann't find the breakdown by date. (These are monthly totals, not individual storms) The NYC snow season is from about Christmas to President's Day. Notice the "about" And sun angle is an issue, with the April event last year I had moderate to heavy snow for about 7 hours and ended up with 1-3" of snow on grassy surfaces. That same event in January would have easily produced 4-5 times that amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 yep. Many times. I do agree that a light event would have issues in March or april unless it was bitter cold. if its a light event, what are you really getting out of it anyway? besides, it only snows at night now, never during the day anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhbrooklyn Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I will be watching Giants destroy packers... Talk about fairy tales.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Nice....you disagree with my statement by one week, that's a good reason to get all nasty Central Park has recorded more than 12" of snow in March only once since 1970 and has recorded 6.0" or greater only ten times since 1970. It's too bad I cann't find the breakdown by date. The NYC snow season is from about Christmas to President's Day. Notice the "about" And sun angle is an issue, with the April event last year I had moderate to heavy snow for about 7 hours and ended up with 1-3" of snow on grassy surfaces. That same event in January would have easily produced 4-5 times that amount. I said minimum first week of march, so its two weeks since the first week counts and we can due just fine through the 15th or 20th. And secondly, your post said sun angle becomes an issue after February 20th, so you talk about an event in April to back it up? Go back to accuweather man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhbrooklyn Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Nice....you disagree with my statement by one week, that's a good reason to get all nasty Central Park has recorded more than 12" of snow in March only once since 1970 and has recorded 6.0" or greater only ten times since 1970. 2 weeks and that's a fairly large portion of the snow season. And so you're saying we get a 6" storm in March every 4 years. How often do we get a 6" storm in the other months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 if its a light event, what are you really getting out of it anyway? besides, it only snows at night now, never during the day anymore. 10/29/11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Talk about fairy tales.... I think the tragedy that has unfolded there is going to go a long way towards making the game this Sunday alot more winnable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 10/29/11 oh yeah, good point, but still, exception, not the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 oh yeah, good point, but still, exception, not the rule. I know what you mean. All the big storms recently have happened during the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I think the tragedy that has unfolded there is going to go a long way towards making the game this Sunday alot more winnable. that has got to shake the locker room and the staff. Also, giants are good now. They hung in their when they were banged up and no clicking, they have at least a punchers chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I said minimum first week of march, so its two weeks since the first week counts and we can due just fine through the 15th or 20th. And secondly, your post said sun angle becomes an issue after February 20th, so you talk about an event in April to back it up? Go back to accuweather man. You took a generalization that I made and blew it way out of proportion. If you look at it from a purely statistical point of view, the heart of snow season in New York City is between Christmas and President's Day. It could theoretically snow on any given day in any given year, but the overall majority of storms occur during the before mentioned slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 You took a generalization that I made and blew it way out of proportion. If you look at it from a purely statistical point of view, the heart of snow season in New York City is between Christmas and New Years. It could theoretically snow on any given day in any given year, but the overall majority of storms occur during the before mentioned slot. 5 days? Are you on heroin or something dude? take a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Talk about fairy tales.... It is going to be an interesting game. I hope the Giants win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 WHAT? Minimum first week of March. We have had plenty of storms after presidents day. Please..... and the sun angle argument has been debunked time and time again. If it snow hard enough it sticks. Go back to crying about your floods. I've seen no problem with sticking snow right into April. The grain of truth in that sentiment (which often escapes those posting it) is that after about early - mid February, the sun melts accumulated snow very quickly compared to early in the winter. By March anything not in the shade will melt quickly even with temps well below freezing. This is of interest to me because I like to x-c ski locally whenever I get the chance. If we get a good dump of snow on bare ground in late February or March, I know I can't wait a few days to get out on it even if the air temps remain cold. The same is true early in the season (before about 12/20) because of the snow melting from below. The surface may cool quickly once snow starts falling, but eventually all that heat stored in the ground will re-warm the surface where the snow lies. Later in the season, it isn't as much of an issue, even if the ground isn't frozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 You took a generalization that I made and blew it way out of proportion. If you look at it from a purely statistical point of view, the heart of snow season in New York City is between Christmas and President's Day. It could theoretically snow on any given day in any given year, but the overall majority of storms occur during the before mentioned slot. Not really but that seems like the heart of the winter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhbrooklyn Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I just checked and numbers are way off. Since 1970, there have been 40 storms of 6"+ Dec: 7 Jan: 9 Feb: 18 Mar: 5 Apr: 1 So March is pretty close to Dec and not far from Jan. I would certainly be careful about saying the snow season ends on Feb 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH L.I Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Nice....you disagree with my statement by one week, that's a good reason to get all nasty Central Park has recorded more than 12" of snow in March only once since 1970 and has recorded 6.0" or greater only ten times since 1970. It's too bad I cann't find the breakdown by date. (These are monthly totals, not individual storms) The NYC snow season is from about Christmas to President's Day. Notice the "about" And sun angle is an issue, with the April event last year I had moderate to heavy snow for about 7 hours and ended up with 1-3" of snow on grassy surfaces. That same event in January would have easily produced 4-5 times that amount. sorry to disagree..mid Feb to early April have seen many big snowstorms..Actually if you look at climo..you more likely to have a big snowstorm in April than you are in November..3 of the greatest snowstorms happened in March 1888,1960 and 1993..you'd have a tough time explaining to the people who froze to death in snow drifts in the blizzard of 1888 that snow doesn't stick in March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 5 days? Are you on heroin or something dude? take a break. I fixed it If anybody is interested this is a good site for seasonal snowfall totals http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/climate/records/monthseasonsnowfall.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I just checked and numbers are way off. Since 1970, there have been 40 storms of 6"+ Dec: 7 Jan: 9 Feb: 18 Mar:5 Apr: 1 So March is pretty close to Dec and not far from Jan. I would certainly be careful about saying the snow season ends on Feb 20. Recent March's, not so good, but overall, March was decently snowy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I just checked and numbers are way off. Since 1970, there have been 40 storms of 6"+ Dec: 7 Jan: 9 Feb: 18 Mar:5 Apr: 1 So March is pretty close to Dec and not far from Jan. I would certainly be careful about saying the snow season ends on Feb 20. What are you saying? When you look at the breakdown of monthly totals at Central Park the stats don't lie http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/climate/records/monthseasonsnowfall.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhbrooklyn Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I fixed it If anybody is interested this is a good site for seasonal snowfall totals http://www.erh.noaa....onsnowfall.html It's not a good site, it's THE site. That's upton's snow page and there are several other good ones there. One caveat though. I have found some mistakes and emailed them, but they are quick about responding and correcting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Recent March's, not so good, but overall, March was decently snowy. Notice how I was careful to say since 1970. Sure Central Park recorded a monthly total of 13.5" in 1875 but anybody that was around to see it has already been dead for at least 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I fixed it If anybody is interested this is a good site for seasonal snowfall totals http://www.erh.noaa....onsnowfall.html Until February 2010, NYC's snowiest month ever occurred in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhbrooklyn Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 What are you saying? When you look at the breakdown of monthly totals at Central Park the stats don't lie http://www.erh.noaa....onsnowfall.html I'm just saying it's ridiculous to say that snow season ends on 2/20, that's all. Obviously Jan-Feb are snowier than Mar, but it's far from hopeless after 2/20. After 3/10, yes, generally hopeless, at least at the coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'm just saying it's ridiculous to say that snow season ends on 2/20, that's all. Obviously Jan-Feb are snowier than Mar, but it's far from hopeless after 2/20. After 3/10, yes, generally hopeless, at least at the coast. I know you retired from moderating but surely you still have a secret button to time people out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn0w Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 current temps, previous precip. All rain for anyone around the local area, n and w may get something, but this will trend warmer too Precip falls before its cold enough. Oh well, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'm just saying it's ridiculous to say that snow season ends on 2/20, that's all. Obviously Jan-Feb are snowier than Mar, but it's far from hopeless after 2/20. After 3/10, yes, generally hopeless, at least at the coast. Once again your taking a generalization and making it a law. It's not like a magic switch goes off on President's Day that shuts off snow for the year. Every year has a different pattern, and its about so much more than individual storm totals or even monthly totals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhbrooklyn Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I know you retired from moderating but surely you still have a secret button to time people out. It's not like you have the regular weenies arguing with him either. I'm not saying I know a lot about snowfall, but I wonder if he maintains spreadsheets like I do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'm just saying it's ridiculous to say that snow season ends on 2/20, that's all. Obviously Jan-Feb are snowier than Mar, but it's far from hopeless after 2/20. After 3/10, yes, generally hopeless, at least at the coast. Id push that back about a week. Subjectively speaking because I haven't looked at actual statistics, there seems to be a higher incidence of snowfalls and in quite a few cases big ones during mid-March. My parents had a saying that it always snows on St Patricks Day and at times it has seemed that way to me in more recent years. If anyone wants to go by the past 2 winters alone, then they are free to conclude that it doesn't snow much in March. I prefer a larger sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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