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I think no storm or storm/s only during the warmer periods continues to be the way to go now for yet another two weeks at least. I'm not sure on this, but as soon as the models back off of the expected pattern change, I think the odds are they are correct. I think barring major changes of several of the better models back to the colder/blockier pattern change idea, there is an increasing probability that we go through this entire month with less than an inch of snow in NYC.

WX/PT

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I think no storm or storm/s only during the warmer periods continues to be the way to go now for yet another two weeks at least. I'm not sure on this, but as soon as the models back off of the expected pattern change, I think the odds are they are correct. I think barring major changes of several of the better models back to the colder/blockier pattern change idea, there is an increasing probability that we go through this entire month with less than an inch of snow in NYC.

WX/PT

Snow88 will likely cry after he sees this post.

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I think no storm or storm/s only during the warmer periods continues to be the way to go now for yet another two weeks at least. I'm not sure on this, but as soon as the models back off of the expected pattern change, I think the odds are they are correct. I think barring major changes of several of the better models back to the colder/blockier pattern change idea, there is an increasing probability that we go through this entire month with less than an inch of snow in NYC.

WX/PT

But they change from run to run, not locking onto anything long range. In fact, medium range with cold seems to be the sure thing.

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your not getting 2-3 inches, snow growth is miserable and the warm punch is prolific.

We will all probably start with a short period of sleet/snow/rain mix but quickly change to a cold rain.

His area might hold on to the sleet/snow mix for a little longer but 2"-3" is pushing it.

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How come no recent posts in the stratospheric warming thread or the pattern change thread. Has everyone thrown in the towel?

Looked at the forecast for southern vermont this week/weekend, rain this week, then ice cold weekend...epic fail. I will be watching Giants destroy packers...

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your not getting 2-3 inches, snow growth is miserable and the warm punch is prolific.

Ill take whatever I can get..

GFS ENSEMBLE CLUSTER IS S/E OF THE OPERATIONALS...SO AN EWD TREND OF

THE SFC LOW IS POSSIBLE WITH FUTURE RUNS.

00Z RAOBS INDICATE -4C AT KMAF. 12/00Z ECMWF RUNS WERE TOO WARM AT

THAT LVL.

WITH THE SFC LOW PROGGED TO STAY ALONG OR S OF LI...NLY COMPONENT

LLVL FLOW GETS LOCKED IN ACROSS THE INTERIOR...ALLOWING FOR THE

SHALLOW COLD AIR TO BE REINFORCED FROM THE BROAD 1025 HIGH ACROSS

ERN CANADA.

FCST THEREFORE INDICATES RAIN SPREADING NWD INTO THE CWA WED NGT

ALONG THE COAST...WITH SNOW ACROSS THE INTERIOR. WITH THE H85 LOW

TRACKING THRU THE SRN PORTION OF THE CWA...TEMPS ALOFT ACROSS THE

INTERIOR ONLY GO UP TO 2-4C. FCST TRANSITIONS THE SNOW TO A SLEET

AND FZRA MIX INTO THU...ENDING AS ALL RAIN.

LATEST ACCUMULATION FCST POSTED TO THE WEB.

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Ill take whatever I can get..

GFS ENSEMBLE CLUSTER IS S/E OF THE OPERATIONALS...SO AN EWD TREND OF

THE SFC LOW IS POSSIBLE WITH FUTURE RUNS.

00Z RAOBS INDICATE -4C AT KMAF. 12/00Z ECMWF RUNS WERE TOO WARM AT

THAT LVL.

WITH THE SFC LOW PROGGED TO STAY ALONG OR S OF LI...NLY COMPONENT

LLVL FLOW GETS LOCKED IN ACROSS THE INTERIOR...ALLOWING FOR THE

SHALLOW COLD AIR TO BE REINFORCED FROM THE BROAD 1025 HIGH ACROSS

ERN CANADA.

FCST THEREFORE INDICATES RAIN SPREADING NWD INTO THE CWA WED NGT

ALONG THE COAST...WITH SNOW ACROSS THE INTERIOR. WITH THE H85 LOW

TRACKING THRU THE SRN PORTION OF THE CWA...TEMPS ALOFT ACROSS THE

INTERIOR ONLY GO UP TO 2-4C. FCST TRANSITIONS THE SNOW TO A SLEET

AND FZRA MIX INTO THU...ENDING AS ALL RAIN.

LATEST ACCUMULATION FCST POSTED TO THE WEB.

The models are slowly bumping north and west. By tomorrow, wouldnt be surprised if the sfc low track is on top of or west of NYC.

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We will all probably start with a short period of sleet/snow/rain mix but quickly change to a cold rain.

His area might hold on to the sleet/snow mix for a little longer but 2"-3" is pushing it.

I think frozen is off the table for you and earthight now. I may get 5 ice pellets, thats about it.

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Not really. I am still going to be optimistic.

Realistically you have until 2/20 (President's Day) until climo begins to become unfavorable. That's about 40 more days of solid snow season. Not that it cann't snow after that date, but the sun angle starts becoming an issue and cold air in general starts becoming an issue. We can still pull off a solid 4-6 week period of snow but I would start getting worried if by February first a pattern change is still nowhere in sight.

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Realistically you have until 2/20 (President's Day) until climo begins to become unfavorable. That's about 40 more days of solid snow season. Not that it cann't snow after that date, but the sun angle starts becoming an issue and cold air in general starts becoming an issue. We can still pull off a solid 4-6 week period of snow but I would start getting worried if by February first a pattern change is still nowhere in sight.

WHAT? Minimum first week of March. We have had plenty of storms after presidents day. Please.....

and the sun angle argument has been debunked time and time again. If it snow hard enough it sticks.

Go back to crying about your floods.

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Realistically you have until 2/20 (President's Day) until climo begins to become unfavorable. That's about 40 more days of solid snow season. Not that it cann't snow after that date, but the sun angle starts becoming an issue and cold air in general starts becoming an issue. We can still pull off a solid 4-6 week period of snow but I would start getting worried if by February first a pattern change is still nowhere in sight.

:huh:

For me, it's the first week of April.

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Realistically you have until 2/20 (President's Day) until climo begins to become unfavorable. That's about 40 more days of solid snow season. Not that it cann't snow after that date, but the sun angle starts becoming an issue and cold air in general starts becoming an issue. We can still pull off a solid 4-6 week period of snow but I would start getting worried if by February first a pattern change is still nowhere in sight.

sun angle only means something for light to maybe moderate events. a big dump, it doesn't matter. The Oct storm accumulated here at 12pm since it was coming down heavy

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But the sun angle starts becoming an issue and cold air in general starts becoming an issue. We can still pull off a solid 4-6 week period of snow but I would start getting worried if by February first a pattern change is still nowhere in sight.

Not the sun angle thing again. Like Trials and Brian just said, if it snows hard, it will stick. We have seen storms in March and April.

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