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2012 Winter Banter Thread


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NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
308 AM EST TUE DEC 27 2011

VALID 12Z SAT DEC 31 2011 - 12Z TUE JAN 03 2012

...SNOWFALL POSSIBLE FROM THE MID-SOUTH INTO THE
CAROLINAS/MID-ATLANTIC/NORTHEASTERN STATES EARLY NEXT WEEK...

THE GENERAL FLOW PATTERN IS EXPECTED TO BUCKLE THROUGH THIS
WEEKEND AS A FULL-LATITUDE TROUGH DIGS FROM ALASKA SOUTHWARD ALONG
THE 140TH MERIDIAN WEST.  THIS CAUSES SIGNIFICANT RIDGING ACROSS
WESTERN NORTH AMERICA /WHICH SHOULD CAUSE THE HEAVY RAINS ACROSS
THE NORTHWEST TO CEASE ON SATURDAY/ AND A DOWNSTREAM TROUGH EAST
OF THE GREAT PLAINS.  THE GUIDANCE SHARES THESE IDEAS.  BY
SUNDAY...THE 00Z GFS/00Z CANADIAN/00Z GEFS MEAN PROGRESS THE
TROUGH A BIT FARTHER EAST THAN THE 00Z UKMET/00Z ECMWF/12Z ECMWF
ENSEMBLE MEAN.  SINCE THE FLOW IS SO AMPLIFIED UPSTREAM...A
SLOWER/MORE AMPLIFIED TROUGH EAST OF THE PLAINS MAKES SENSE.
HOWEVER...THE 00Z ECMWF GOES A STEP TOO FAR BY DEVELOPING A DEEP
CLOSED CYCLONE ACROSS THE MID-SOUTH WHICH MOVES INTO THE
MID-ATLANTIC STATES NEXT TUESDAY.  THE ECMWF HAS A BIAS OF BEING
TOO SLOW/STRONG WITH SYSTEMS BEYOND 120 HOURS...SO IT IS LIKELY A
BIT OVERDONE...BUT ITS SOLUTION IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE.  STARTED WITH A
40/40/20 COMPROMISE OF THE 00Z ECMWF/00Z UKMET/12Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE
MEAN EARLY ON BEFORE SWITCHING TO A 50/50 BLEND OF THE 00Z
ECMWF/12Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN THEREAFTER.  PRESSURE-WISE...THIS
SOLUTION MAINTAINED REASONABLE CONTINUITY.

ROTH

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Based on his recent postings he seems to think that the NAO is the sole factor whether there is snow in the East or not. I sure hope he has more meteorological intelligence than that.

If the ridge is really that amplifed out West, like on the Euro, there can be a big storm. However, the antecedent airmass looks warm and there's nothing to prevent it from going to our west. So it looks like likely to be a rainstorm, for the coastal plain at least. I think we should root for it to explode to our west and influence a -NAO pattern.

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Based on his recent postings he seems to think that the NAO is the sole factor whether there is snow in the East or not. I sure hope he has more meteorological intelligence than that.

Many people think that, it depends quite a bit on what the pattern is over the Western U.S. Any sort of progressive sort of pattern, even with a temporary big West Coast ridge, its quite hard to get a major snow event for the coast with a +NAO because the shortwaves will generally want to amplify too early resulting in a storm that turns the corner fast. But a pattern like the 00Z Euro showed where that ridge basically sits in the same place from 144-240 hours is one where a significant coastal snow event can occur with a +NAO.

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Many people think that, it depends quite a bit on what the pattern is over the Western U.S. Any sort of progressive sort of pattern, even with a temporary big West Coast ridge, its quite hard to get a major snow event for the coast with a +NAO because the shortwaves will generally want to amplify too early resulting in a storm that turns the corner fast. But a pattern like the 00Z Euro showed where that ridge basically sits in the same place from 144-240 hours is one where a significant coastal snow event can occur with a +NAO.

I agree with this somewhat. The 0z Euro does have another s/w diving into Tennessee Valley at 240hr. The 1/2-1/4 storm becoming the new PV over Quebec and enhancing a -NAO, could set this up better for us:

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thetrials and algreek are such jealous haters

No. I loved the Boxing day storm. My 3rd favorite storm of all time. If I lived in your area, I would rank Boxing Day and Jan. 1996 a tie, as both storms produced 25"-30" in your area.

For my area:

1) 1996 (25"-30")

2) Jan. 26-27, 2011 (18"-20")

3) Boxing Day (14"-16")

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