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NYC/Tri-State Area: Stumbling into January Disco


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Kind of sad when the NOGAPS which is the most progressive biased model has more amplification at 144 hrs then the GFS...

Thats usually been a good indicator in the past that the GFS or some other model is out to lunch when the NOGAPS shows a more amplified scenario. My guess is the GFS picks up the storm some time in the next 6 runs, so that means it should have it by the early morning 6Z run on Thursday.

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Thats usually been a good indicator in the past that the GFS or some other model is out to lunch when the NOGAPS shows a more amplified scenario. My guess is the GFS picks up the storm some time in the next 6 runs, so that means it should have it by the early morning 6Z run on Thursday.

an amplified and within 300 miles of the coast Nogaps is actually a something to pay attention to.

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an amplified and within 300 miles of the coast Nogaps is actually a something to pay attention to.

There was discussion last year that the NOGAPS being a progressive model is likely to be exceptionally poor during La Ninas or patterns with lack of blocking because its bias is likely enhanced in those scenarios. The fact we have both going right now and its THAT close to the coast probably magnifies the importance of the whole thing.

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Game set match...

I was about to post that the NOGAPS also has the pig ridge we've been seeing on the more amplified models. Definitely interesting. What happens in the Pacific is really important...the models that have the big ridge have a cutoff low in the Pacific that forces the ridge to amplify to the east of that.

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I was about to post that the NOGAPS also has the pig ridge we've been seeing on the more amplified models. Definitely interesting. What happens in the Pacific is really important...the models that have the big ridge have a cutoff low in the Pacific that forces the ridge to amplify to the east of that.

If that ridge is for real, I'm expecting some seriously fun 0z runs tonight. And just think, the BZ is virtually untapped with regards to potential to enhance the output that a Miller A cyclone could produce, should it materialize down the road.

I'm encouraged tonight.

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If that ridge is for real, I'm expecting some seriously fun 0z runs tonight. And just think, the BZ is virtually untapped with regards to potential to enhance the output that a Miller A cyclone could produce, should it materialize down the road.

I'm encouraged tonight.

plenty of ridges produce cold dry troughs

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If that ridge is for real, I'm expecting some seriously fun 0z runs tonight. And just think, the BZ is virtually untapped with regards to potential to enhance the output that a Miller A cyclone could produce, should it materialize down the road.

I'm encouraged tonight.

I'd urge caution here. The storm is still over a wee away, for one, so I think we need to understand that the Euro solution from earlier is likely a very small percentage chance. The NAO state is going to make it really tough for us to get much frozen precipitation.

That being said..I am interested at this time in the potential for a significant storm system regardless of precipitation type. In such a boring pattern, seeing a signal at this range is definitely more exciting than it would normally be.

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And plenty of troughs produce storms, even if they give a "lighter" snow. A near neutral or weakly positive NAO is better than the raging NAO we have now.

Just trying to temper expectations, people see the euro throw out a KU storm and take it as gospel, but for as weenie as the gfs is sometimes, the euro has its moments too, and frankly more now after its last upgrade then ever before. There is a reason it got the nickname Dr. NO because it always seemed to ruin the weenie party back in the day but that all seemed to stop in 08-09 when the euro was showing snow bombs pretty regularly later in the winter none of which ever materialized. And just last week, it did the same thing for xmas.

Odds favor a shallower less amplified trough with a glancing blow or as you say, lighter snow.

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Game set match...

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I like crappy models like the Nogaps, it's mistakes are consistent, usually way too progressive at 180hrs. However I am not excited about the northern stream allowing for any southern cutoffs this year. So the Nogaps may work fine in this pattern unfortunately.

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I'd urge caution here. The storm is still over a wee away, for one, so I think we need to understand that the Euro solution from earlier is likely a very small percentage chance. The NAO state is going to make it really tough for us to get much frozen precipitation.

That being said..I am interested at this time in the potential for a significant storm system regardless of precipitation type. In such a boring pattern, seeing a signal at this range is definitely more exciting than it would normally be.

Of course John. I like the Euro/Euro Ens consistency with regards to their placement of of the ridge anomalies, both in the PNA area and the temporary look of the Western Atlantic. Lot's of time and in this pattern anything could still go wrong.

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Just trying to temper expectations, people see the euro throw out a KU storm and take it as gospel, but for as weenie as the gfs is sometimes, the euro has its moments too, and frankly more now after its last upgrade then ever before. There is a reason it got the nickname Dr. NO because it always seemed to ruin the weenie party back in the day but that all seemed to stop in 08-09 when the euro was showing snow bombs pretty regularly later in the winter none of which ever materialized. And just last week, it did the same thing for xmas.

Odds favor a shallower less amplified trough with a glancing blow or as you say, lighter snow.

happy 10,000.

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Just trying to temper expectations, people see the euro throw out a KU storm and take it as gospel, but for as weenie as the gfs is sometimes, the euro has its moments too, and frankly more now after its last upgrade then ever before. There is a reason it got the nickname Dr. NO because it always seemed to ruin the weenie party back in the day but that all seemed to stop in 08-09 when the euro was showing snow bombs pretty regularly later in the winter none of which ever materialized. And just last week, it did the same thing for xmas.

Odds favor a shallower less amplified trough with a glancing blow or as you say, lighter snow.

It did have that one weenie run at 00z on the 19th, we'll see if it develops any continuity tonight and or gain some kind of support from the GFS/GEFS.

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Through 90 hours the 00z GFS is more consolidated and stronger with the upper level trough around the longitude of Hawaii. This is allowing the ridge over the Eastern Pacific to strengthen and remain farther west. I would venture to guess that this run would at least be more defined with the trough over the East by Day 7-8.

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Through 90 hours the 00z GFS is more consolidated and stronger with the upper level trough around the longitude of Hawaii. This is allowing the ridge over the Eastern Pacific to strengthen and remain farther west. I would venture to guess that this run would at least be more defined with the trough over the East by Day 7-8.

Taking a good steo to the euro.

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