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NYC/Tri-State Area: Stumbling into January Disco


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Nothing too exciting on todays Euro. You can see the gradient pattern developing towards the end of the run, but then it splits a cutoff low off the West coast and the vortex near Baffin Island becomes re-established. This is the first run I have seen like this, so hopefully it doesn't become a trend.

Last nights data was very encouraging with the looks of a second warming event by Day 10 which could bring this to SSW status. We will have to see how this plays out.

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Nothing too exciting on todays Euro. You can see the gradient pattern developing towards the end of the run, but then it splits a cutoff low off the West coast and the vortex near Baffin Island becomes re-established. This is the first run I have seen like this, so hopefully it doesn't become a trend.

Last nights data was very encouraging with the looks of a second warming event by Day 10 which could bring this to SSW status. We will have to see how this plays out.

Just make it stop John, we beg of you.

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Don't know about others, but I think that king's been de-throned for a few years now. It seemed to be much more accurate back in the 2002-2007 days.

I think that's just because in 2002-2007, the other models were so terrible. Euro still verifies as the best model out there, time and time again.

But it has definetely struggled this year in the day 5-10 timeframe and for east coast storms.

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Don't know about others, but I think that king's been de-throned for a few years now. It seemed to be much more accurate back in the 2002-2007 days.

regardless of which model says what, obviously all the flip flopping shows that there is no overwhelming evidence to suggest that a pattern change is imminent. Until there is a very good consensus among a number of different models and consistantly through several days of running, then I really can't believe any particular solution. This last cold shot was an example of something that we were pretty confident would happen. The models were advertising it for many days in a row and most of the major models showed it happening.

It's like a tease cuz you see one good run and hope it's the start of a trend, but it's not happening.

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I agree, just some will still swear by it. I believe they upgraded it in recent years and now we have this.

That's why you have to use the ensemble means for forecasting the 6-10 day range.

Today's OP run is roughly similar to the ensemble mean from yesterday.

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Today's Euro ensembles are nice..looks like the PC retrogrades into a much more favorable position by Day 10. From what I can see there is even some ridging building into Greenland, working in tandem with a favorable pacific.

Looking at it now, IMHO, atlantic side is MUCH improved, not so sure how great the pac is, but it's not terrible.

pac looks better earlier in the run and atlantic looks better at the end.

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The ensembles have been quite consistent with the AK ridge, but at the same time the setup the ensembles have there, particularly the Euro's AK ridging setup is dangerously close to being a very easily dislodged ridge, you can still see that AK vortex desperately trying to come back near Day 10 on the Euro ensembles and the last few GFS runs try and bring it back after Day 10-12 as well.

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Just agree with me, make the weenies happy.

What's amazing about this winter is we've had very few threats in the D 5+ fantasy range to even talk about as being snow. I can't remember any times someone posted a model run showing a significant snow in the medium range. I guess the bright side to that is there's been no teasers, since the pattern's sucked too bad for even fantasy snows to appear.

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What's amazing about this winter is we've had very few threats in the D 5+ fantasy range to even talk about as being snow. I can't remember any times someone posted a model run showing a significant snow in the medium range. I guess the bright side to that is there's been no teasers, since the pattern's sucked too bad for even fantasy snows to appear.

there have been absolutely zero big fantasy snowstorms on the gfs for a while now which tells me that the pattern for atleast the next 2 weeks will remain pretty lame. After the rainstorm, its amazing how flat the pattern becomes with the -PNA and +NAO (on the 00z gfs).. Im not excited but hopefully this is just all part of the pattern change into snowier times

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What's amazing about this winter is we've had very few threats in the D 5+ fantasy range to even talk about as being snow. I can't remember any times someone posted a model run showing a significant snow in the medium range. I guess the bright side to that is there's been no teasers, since the pattern's sucked too bad for even fantasy snows to appear.

I was talking about this to my friend the other day. Anytime a model would show a threat at even day 6 that looked like a nice snow event, by the time it got to day 5 it would change from whatever snowy scenario it showed to the same cutoff storm we've had every freaking event so far this winter. It's unreal.

Like I love how this storm for next week literally wait's the entire time for the cold air to come in, and then follows it right on out. I guess all you can do is just laugh in the end.

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there have been absolutely zero big fantasy snowstorms on the gfs for a while now which tells me that the pattern for atleast the next 2 weeks will remain pretty lame. After the rainstorm, its amazing how flat the pattern becomes with the -PNA and +NAO (on the 00z gfs).. Im not excited but hopefully this is just all part of the pattern change into snowier times

I mentioned in the main thread, a -PNA/EPO/AO is not going to be as good for us this year as it may have been in 1993-94, the reason being the La Nina is going to want to tend to pump that SE ridge, as a result it will be harder to get away with the +NAO this year than it would have been then.

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