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December 26-27 Potential Snow Event


Hoosier

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Temps aren't marginal because time of day... They are marginal because there is a lack of cold air to be found with this system like every other system this year...

Go back and look at all my post for this storm. Ive been screaming Marginal temps from the start and temps being above freezing during the day versus night does put a dent in accumulation. Its common sense.

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Go back and look at all my post for this storm. Ive been screaming Marginal temps from the start and temps being above freezing during the day versus night does put a dent in accumulation. Its common sense.

We are talking a degree or so above freezing which would be that way even if it was day or night, that is my point... daytime is a negligible factor in December especially with a deep cloud layer and good precip rates.

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We are talking a degree or so above freezing which would be that way even if it was day or night, that is my point... daytime is a negligible factor in December especially with a deep cloud layer and good precip rates.

In a more normal Dec sure... not this one

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We are talking a degree or so above freezing which would be that way even if it was day or night, that is my point... daytime is a negligible factor in December especially with a deep cloud layer and good precip rates.

Maybe I'm :deadhorse: , but in this case I might have to disagree with you and Hoosier. My point forecast calls for a low 31 tonight and a high 36 tomorrow.

So even if temps stay at around freezing during the event, as soon as it quits, solar effects will take over and quickly create melting/compaction. What might technically be a 4" snowfall may quickly turn into 2" of snow remaining. This may not be true for areas farther east and north, but the heavier precip is expected to end by early afternoon in this area, giving time for the sun to do it's dirty work.

The other factor is climo would dictate snow falling on frozen ground, but unfortunately, that is not the case this year.

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It only feels like spring outside mild as hell with way above normal temps versus a normal Dec with a snowpack colder ground temps makes perfect sense...

Its all common sense

It feels warm because it is warm that has nothing to do with time of day compared to any other December, it has everything to do with the pattern we are in. The amount of solar insulation we get today would be equal to the same amount we got last year. If we want to say the temps will be marginal because of the pattern I'll agree 100% but time of day is very negligible.

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It feels warm because it is warm that has nothing to do with time of day compared to any other December, it has everything to do with the pattern we are in. The amount of solar insulation we get today would be equal to the same amount we got last year. If we want to say the temps will be marginal because of the pattern I'll agree 100% but time of day is very negligible.

You are right in that regard as there will be little CAA swooping in system, allowing ANY solar insolation to have a greater effect.

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accuweather also calling for at least 3" in the Toronto area, but EC is calling for rain mixed with wet snow with a high around 38F. Don't see how we get much accumulation.

The high will be in the morning and temps will drop slowly in the afternoon. There's a chance that we start out as a bit of rain, and there's a better chance that when we switch to snow, it has trouble sticking for the first couple of hours. But if the 12z NAM/GFS are correct, we should get a period during the evening when the snow rips for a while. Very favourable location of the 850/700mb low. I'd say 2-3" is a good call for us.

It's just too bad the low is still developing/moving so fast while it's crossing our latitude. By the time it gets up to Ottawa, it'll be quite the show.

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The high will be in the morning and temps will drop slowly in the afternoon. There's a chance that we start out as a bit of rain, and there's a better chance that when we switch to snow, it has trouble sticking for the first couple of hours. But if the 12z NAM/GFS are correct, we should get a period during the evening when the snow rips for a while. Very favourable location of the 850/700mb low. I'd say 2-3" is a good call for us.

It's just too bad the low is still developing/moving so fast while it's crossing our latitude. By the time it gets up to Ottawa, it'll be quite the show.

IMO i dont usually follow EC or TWN given there track record over the past few years. I think TWN is too warm with this storm. If we can create more dynamic cooling then amounts will be higher but I'm perfectly fine with seeing 2-4" which is SOMETHING given our snow drought. ECMWF keeps surface temps below 2C.

Lets see.

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IMO i dont usually follow EC or TWN given there track record over the past few years. I think TWN is too warm with this storm. If we can create more dynamic cooling then amounts will be higher but I'm perfectly fine with seeing 2-4" which is SOMETHING given our snow drought. ECMWF keeps surface temps below 2C.

Lets see.

It's hard to follow EC much because beyond 24 hours they seem to blindly follow the GGEM, regardless of what the other models are showing.

I ran 12z NAM through BUFKIT. Like I thought, things are toasty to start, but by around 0z, everything down to 950mb is near or sub freezing. It is kinda of persistent with the warmth at the sfc though. Nonetheless, cold air is sufficiently deep for snow per p-type algorithm, aside from 1-2 hours of -RA at the start, but it's going to be slushy snow given those sfc temps. I'll qualify be call. 2-3" on the grass.

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IND has 1-2" total in the updated zone forecast for here. Seems like a conservative, but good call. Too much uncertainty with precipitation type for me to like going higher than that right now. Only positive is that the bulk should fall overnight/tomorrow morning. We'll see.

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