HoarfrostHubb Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Very light snow here in Hubbardston. I misread the temp earlier 34.1F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 some of that stuff is probably being enhanced slightly by the lake and the upslope on the hills east and southeast of BUF. Yeah it usually is...I used to love windex events when out at Cornell because of the enhancement from the lakes...it (the cold front) would often "pick up" Lake Ontario bands (or Erie if it came from the due west) and carry them into our region along with the other dynamics producing snow squalls...my favorite were the NW flow windex events since Ontario was a closer lake. We could usually pick up a good 3-5" from those...the best was when you'd have a W or WSW wind ahead of the front coming in from the NW and then it would just pick up the band over Lake Ontario and carry it south with the rest of the squalls the front was producing...and we'd get like a whiteout for 90 minutes. 2-3 inch per hour stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Yeah it usually is...I used to love windex events when out at Cornell because of the enhancement from the lakes...it (the cold front) would often "pick up" Lake Ontario bands (or Erie if it came from the due west) and carry them into our region along with the other dynamics producing snow squalls...my favorite were the NW flow windex events since Ontario was a closer lake. We could usually pick up a good 3-5" from those...the best was when you'd have a W or WSW wind ahead of the front coming in from the NW and then it would just pick up the band over Lake Ontario and carry it south with the rest of the squalls the front was producing...and we'd get like a whiteout for 90 minutes. 2-3 inch per hour stuff. sad state of affairs when you can manage lake-enhancement on -5C 850s in late December lol. Hopefully it explodes in a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Is this snow actually WINDEX related? Seems sort of non dynamic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Is this snow actually WINDEX related? Seems sort of non dynamic i think that's from weak WAA out ahead of the cold front/potent vort max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Is this snow actually WINDEX related? Seems sort of non dynamic The stuff in NYS def is...the current stuff is def being helped by very good lapse rates above 800-850mb but we don't have a lot of forcing around yet so its just in pockets and the snow is mostly light. When the upper level cold pool and the LL convergence currently in NYS moves over is when it will become a bit more classical...however, this is not your typical arctic front WINDEX event when LL lapse rates go off the charts, so we are a tad deficient in that area, but some good low level convergence and strong PVA could help compensate for that a tad. Also the fact that we are dealing with a warmer airmass actually introduces possible rain showers into this, lol. WINDEX is really just talking potential snow squalls from winter time instability...and the most classic cases are an arctic front with a mega cold pool aloft plowing into a polar airmass where low level moisture pools ahead of the front and the forcing stretches the atmosphere a bit...kind of like winter time version of thunderstorms, but a bit different due to the natural tendency for the winter inversion. But occasionally you can actually be unstable from the sfc like we were for a brief period on Jan 28, 2010...that was the Windex event that gave us a crap load of thundersnow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 i think that's from weak WAA out ahead of the cold front/potent vort max. Yeah the WAA is def producing the weak omega, and I think its tapping into the steep ML lapse rates a bit...but its obviously not that impressive out this way at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 the stuff over eastern NY appears to be associated with the low-level convergence from the surface cold front...the stuff over WNY is right under neath the 500mb vort max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Echoes look a bit more impressive over e CT now. Didn't see anything here as they passed thru but they were weaker. Maybe rain anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Echoes look a bit more impressive over e CT now. Didn't see anything here as they passed thru but they were weaker. Maybe rain anyway. We have weenie flakes right now from slightly less impressive echoes in ORH right now, but they are really pathetic...its the type of flakes where you need to put a tree branch in between you and the street lamp to see them. Vis is hardly affected at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 We have weenie flakes right now from slightly less impressive echoes in ORH right now, but they are really pathetic...its the type of flakes where you need to put a tree branch in between you and the street lamp to see them. Vis is hardly affected at all. It's possible I just missed it as it passed. Nothing of major note at least.. Doubt I'll wait up for any stuff later if it even happens. My snow drought can continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Didn't see anything here, although its possible there were some flakes. I saw a legit light snowshower (!) in Maine this morning...so I didn't look too hard. Pretty sad that I was happy to see a light snow shower move through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Rain, nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Rain, nice December 2011. Too bad its not October...it would have been a whiteout there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 December 2011. Too bad its not October...it would have been a whiteout there. What a disastah. At the fiirepit, buzzing along, tell the family it's way too warm, then as soon as the words come out it starts raining, disastah, snow fire pit cancel. I may meltdown Rayesque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Ha It's raining. This winter has been a cruel joke so far. Anyway, Merry Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 What a disastah. At the fiirepit, buzzing along, tell the family it's way too warm, then as soon as the words come out it starts raining, disastah, snow fire pit cancel. I may meltdown Rayesque. Have you ever? The few flakes I saw were lame and short lived. But still kinda nice to see Christmas morning snow flurries and again in the evening... I guess flurries might be too strong a word Temp rising 35.4F now Have a pleasant mid-April night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Rain and 37F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 The stuff in NYS def is...the current stuff is def being helped by very good lapse rates above 800-850mb but we don't have a lot of forcing around yet so its just in pockets and the snow is mostly light. When the upper level cold pool and the LL convergence currently in NYS moves over is when it will become a bit more classical...however, this is not your typical arctic front WINDEX event when LL lapse rates go off the charts, so we are a tad deficient in that area, but some good low level convergence and strong PVA could help compensate for that a tad. Also the fact that we are dealing with a warmer airmass actually introduces possible rain showers into this, lol. WINDEX is really just talking potential snow squalls from winter time instability...and the most classic cases are an arctic front with a mega cold pool aloft plowing into a polar airmass where low level moisture pools ahead of the front and the forcing stretches the atmosphere a bit...kind of like winter time version of thunderstorms, but a bit different due to the natural tendency for the winter inversion. But occasionally you can actually be unstable from the sfc like we were for a brief period on Jan 28, 2010...that was the Windex event that gave us a crap load of thundersnow. Thanks for the well thought out and articulated reponse. Not sure I will stay up for any of this. 1/28/10 was very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Just got in and was surprised to see some of your temps. The cold is wedged in here. 21.9F with some -SN...only a couple of tenths so far, but it's a nice scene seeing the snow blowing around on the roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 This winter is a ****ing joke. Cannot believe its raining. Time to get more hammered at this winter party out of depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Thankfully this is not the squalls at least. Height of WAA is now should have expected prefrontal rain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokeupthisam Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 S- here but vis is definitely affected, the Christmas lights in the distance have that hazy look. About 1/4 inch of new, nice to start and end the day with some 'mood snow'. Maybe later some more squalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 SSTs are kiling me here, any puff and I am 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisStraight Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 A few flakes flying here, had to go outside with my spotlight to see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Light rain. Bfd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 We wouldn't even be wasting our time on this nuisance stuff in a normal winter. I see a band that moved through here with a couple flurries has upsloped nicely into the Taconics now on radar. Main squall line (if you can call it that) is about 30 miles west of here. Light rain. Bfd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 nice squall heaidng right for my fanny i am sooo drunk merryh christmas 2011!!! im going to be so embarassed of this lightweight/amateur post tomorrow morning at 530 when i have to be up for work...jeezums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmanmitch Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Flakes beginning to fly here. Nice dendritic flakes actually. Nothing real heavy yet, but it could ramp up here soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 nice squall heaidng right for my fanny i am sooo drunk merryh christmas 2011!!! im going to be so embarassed of this lightweight/amateur post tomorrow morning at 530 when i have to be up for work...jeezums! Yeah im drunk too grow up for christs sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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