Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Because most of us are sicko's about snow and there is still a good month and a half of good winter left after the pattern change that many of locked in come mid-month...and then there is the stat padding months of march and april. Still a lot of winter left to get those to the east and south near avg while I end up with 17.4" and a months supply of Hurricane High Gravity Lager on, Timmy. I'm glad to see that you have your $20 "spent" already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Mike, as far as Chicago and bad Decembers in Nina winters...and what followed in January. Top 5 worst since 1949-50... 1971-72 Dec: 0.3" Jan: 11.7" 1998-99 Dec: 1.0" Jan: 29.6" 1955-56 Dec: 2.1" Jan: 1.2" 1967-68 Dec: 2.7" Jan: 12.7" 1999-00 Dec: 3.5" Jan: 13.6" 1955-56 So typically it doesn't get much worst then it has already. In the last 15 years IMBY, all Decembers that failed to produce 6", the January snowfall improved by at least 250%. We could always see some surprise snowfalls in the next 10 days - it has happened before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 There was a time when Big Joe was decent...now he is nothing more than a candidate for WOTY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I'm glad to see that you have your $20 "spent" already. Still need one taker on the $20 bet that LAF and Toronto both get more snow than MKE going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtlehurricane Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 They somehow measured 0.3" of snow on 1/1 at the airport, up to 4.4" on the year. It's the amount you'd get from a good clipper, except it's spread over at least 5 "events". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Mendota looks solid enough to ice skate on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 2011-12 season totals...crystal ball edition. MKE: 30.3" LSE: 36.9" YYZ: 35.0" LAF: 15.0" Can't do the two for one...sorry BowMe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I'll bet you $50 of Hoosier's money that LSE and MKE both break 20". There is no Atlantic blocking (-NAO) for the foreseeable future... and even when that AK vortex implodes, the cold will seep into the west and northern Plains with the SE ridge alive and well. Not to mention a neutral or negative PNA...that isn't a eastern Lakes or southern Midwest favorable pattern. I'd much rather be north and west than south and east. But we'll see. Still need one taker on the $20 bet that i said LAF and Toronto both get more snow than MKE going forward. How can you not take this bet too. I wouldn't be worried about toronto not holding up its end of the bet.... and I think when we finally get a couple good storms to track they're going to favor your area and eastern lakes. Think 67-68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Didn't something good come at the end of the turn around? The 06-07 winter was two-faced for sure! The Western Lakes started with winter with a bang. Snowstorm on the 1st dropped a good deal of snow in this area. Then 10 days of cold then a torch until Jan. 12th. A wintry mix storm came in followed by some small snowstorms. Then February roared in with bitter cold and snow. 21" of snow here, -9.6° degrees below normal. One of the coldest February's for Chicago. 10 mornings below 0°F here. Then March was mild overall with some winter in the first 8 days. April then was quite chilly, -3° from normal. One of the biggest snows in April hit here with 5.9" on the 11th. This winter will be back loaded I think, with spring taking it's sweet time getting here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Seasonably cold, yet a lack of winter weather across the region. I am hoping for at least 1 storm that dumps more than 1" of snow the remainder of the Winter season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 How can you not take this bet too. I wouldn't be worried about toronto not holding up its end of the bet.... and I think when we finally get a couple good storms to track they're going to favor your area and eastern lakes. Think 67-68 No chance. I punted on snowfall for LAF already. Future gradient pattern=hostile for the tropics of central Indiana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Fantasy land, but what a convoluted set up on 12z Euro, days 8-10. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/ECMWF0.5_12z/ecmwfloop.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtlehurricane Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Up to 25 °F, about average for midwinter but very cold this winter. Even Miami is freezing their butts off today, 54 °F there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis1729 Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Up to 25 °F, about average for midwinter but very cold this winter. Even Miami is freezing their butts off today, 54 °F there. Yeah, I saw a dewpoint of 18F in Miami earlier today...that must be close to an all-time record low for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtlehurricane Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Yeah, I saw a dewpoint of 18F in Miami earlier today...that must be close to an all-time record low for them. Actually 10 °F: http://mesowest.utah...&timetype=LOCAL 5 °F in Boca Raton! Yeah, that's about as dry as the air gets down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 No chance. I punted on snowfall for LAF already. Future gradient pattern=hostile for the tropics of central Indiana. why so scared to accept the bet if you think LAF is done for. all you need is for MKE to beat out one of laf or toronto to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Love the details!. I'm so close to that blue line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Thanks to, weather centre informing me of today's Euro hr 216+ possible development of a snowstorm for the Plains, Midwest and Ohio Valley I can't go to bed. wow youve only had 1.5 inches of snow.....that is ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 wow youve only had 1.5 inches of snow.....that is ridiculous! Yep and looks to stay there for another 7-10 days at least. I'd be pretty excited about today's euro if I were you. couple nice interior threats showing up... Should be a good second half to winter me thinks up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 1.5 inches for now...just wait until blogmasterweathercentre69 brings out his new set of updated maps...no doubt that they'll show MKE getting at least 100 inches in Feb and another 50 inches in March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Yep and looks to stay there for another 7-10 days at least. I'd be pretty excited about today's euro if I were you. couple nice interior threats showing up... Should be a good second half to winter me thinks up there. yeah im doing a new years inventory for snowfall, looking around to see who's been getting what. there are some awful numberous out there including here (11.8 in montreal with zippo on the ground)......but yours is the worst that ive seen so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I remember the 67-68 analog being thrown around prior to winter. The ENSO progression starting in summer actually has some pretty decent similarities to this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 The only good thing about no snow and rain I guess to in near the future is the lakes finally locked up down here.. last thing we need is snow or rain on top of it...warmer temps are fine as long as they don't get too out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 why so scared to accept the bet if you think LAF is done for. all you need is for MKE to beat out one of laf or toronto to win. Duh, you're right. I'll take the bet too. LAF and Toronto both have to beat MKE. Thing is though, where are we getting the Toronto snowfall from...YYZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I remember the 67-68 analog being thrown around prior to winter. The ENSO progression starting in summer actually has some pretty decent similarities to this year. Quick peek at that winter on wunderground has me liking my slim chances a bit more.. I could totally see the rest of the winter going down similar to that here with roller coaster temps and feb being our coldest month. I have my doubts its quite as extremely dry as that winter going forward though... and I doubt we get the extreme torch month of march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Duh, you're right. I'll take the bet too. LAF and Toronto both have to beat MKE. Thing is though, where are we getting the Toronto snowfall from...YYZ? I have no clue.. Maybe consult with the canada crew? and w/e you guys come up with I'm cool with. Catch ya later tonight... Going to take a drive and see how much ice was made on a few lakes close by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueWaves Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Hmm...that does seem suspicious but interesting. Here you can look at it your self. http://www.climate.w...Month=01&Day=01 Maybe if we had daily analysis charts for that Winter showing the storms and there tracks, that would be nice. Daily surface map archives link: http://docs.lib.noaa...ather_maps.html (these are fun) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 12z GFS is a problem. Really no chances of good snow through Jan 12th or further. The persistence of this pattern is shocking. The Pacific and GOA are owning this winter. You can only take optimist views so far before time and reality catches up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 12z GFS is a problem. Really no chances of good snow through Jan 12th or further. The persistence of this pattern is shocking. The Pacific and GOA are owning this winter. You can only take optimist views so far before time and reality catches up. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I have no clue.. Maybe consult with the canada crew? and w/e you guys come up with I'm cool with. Catch ya later tonight... Going to take a drive and see how much ice was made on a few lakes close by. We'll use YYZ (Pearson Airport). The downtown site has been unreliable lately. Of course for LAF, you'll have to trust me. Now where did I put that hot plate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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