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Dude, take it easy. It sucks for all of us, but we get these now and then...it happens. There is no sense of weenie-ing out on the other end of the spectrum. It's almost Christmas..just be happy you have a great family and friends. I'm not happy either, but we expected this to happen sooner rather than later.

And we've had plenty of clunkers before. We've just in general been lucky recently with just a few "bad" winters and not "terrible" winters.

It happens.

For people who love extreme wx this calendar year has been about as good as it gets.

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Dude, take it easy. It sucks for all of us, but we get these now and then...it happens. There is no sense of weenie-ing out on the other end of the spectrum. It's almost Christmas..just be happy you have a great family and friends. I'm not happy either, but we expected this to happen sooner rather than later.

In 09-10, I got 45 inches of snow between Feb 5 and Feb 15. Not saying it will happen again but winter is not over...we will get a wintry period where we will forget about what happened to us in December.

We went through this in 2006-2007. Horrible 1st half and good 2nd half.

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Dude, take it easy. It sucks for all of us, but we get these now and then...it happens. There is no sense of weenie-ing out on the other end of the spectrum. It's almost Christmas..just be happy you have a great family and friends. I'm not happy either, but we expected this to happen sooner rather than later.

LOL..I'm fine. I'm totally relaxed and at peace with things. It's the holiday season and I am enjoying it. I wish everyone here a safe and hapy holiday season

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For people who love extreme wx this calendar year has been about as good as it gets.

From a record snowy January to ring in 2011, to all-time heat and rainfall records (and flooding), an F-3 tornado, a tropical storm, a freak October record smashing snowstorm, and record warmth to close out the year. For New England that's about as impressive a lineup of extreme weather as you'll ever see. Probably the best year I'll ever get to experience as a New England weather enthusiast.

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In 09-10, I got 45 inches of snow between Feb 5 and Feb 15. Not saying it will happen again but winter is not over...we will get a wintry period where we will forget about what happened to us in December.

We went through this in 2006-2007. Horrible 1st half and good 2nd half.

I know...hopefully we get that second half..but I don't like the way things look and we (at least up here) are going to get a clunker sooner rather than later..maybe this is it. Who knows..I'm not a long range guru.

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From a record snowy January to ring in 2011, to all-time heat and rainfall records (and flooding), an F-3 tornado, a tropical storm, a freak October record smashing snowstorm, and record warmth to close out the year. For New England that's about as impressive a lineup of extreme weather as you'll ever see. Probably the best year I'll ever get to experience as a New England weather enthusiast.

Agreed. This whining is getting to be a bit much.

In this year many parts of the state had:

- Wettest year on record

- Snowiest month on record

- Greatest snowstorm on record

- Greatest snow depth on record

- Biggest TC since Gloria (or bob in E CT) with record tide heights in some areas

- 2 rounds of major flooding in March

- Hottest day on record

- Greatest October storm on record with epic damage (that set countless records)

- F3 tornado just across the border OTG for 37 miles

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I know...hopefully we get that second half..but I don't like the way things look and we (at least up here) are going to get a clunker sooner rather than later..maybe this is it. Who knows..I'm not a long range guru.

at this point, i just want one good storm that we can track for 4-5 days...Lets start from there. Some encourging signs on the last few r uns of the gfs towards the 384 hour mark. GFS does better at 16 days than it does at 16 hours

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We're obviously in a very bad place. If you told me on 12/1 that by 1/1 we would have a huge +EPO closed low returning to GoA I would have said you're an even bigger debbie than me.

Not to mention the fact the models are in good agreement about a pretty lethal +EPO/+NAO combination to begin January with no help from the MJO. Unfortunately we're going to need to rely on voodoo to do something to the stratosphere and just a total reorganization of the hemispheric pattern.

You should take some time away. MRG probably has snow stacked up to the mid waist of trees. Maybe we can all head up there for a few days of snow frolicking?

This winter blows.

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Well then I would be at 1" for the season. If that is the case, there would be something wrong with the planet.

Agreed. This whining is getting to be a bit much.

In this year many parts of the state had:

- Wettest year on record

- Snowiest month on record

- Greatest snowstorm on record

- Greatest snow depth on record

- Biggest TC since Gloria (or bob in E CT) with record tide heights in some areas

- 2 rounds of major flooding in March

- Hottest day on record

- Greatest October storm on record with epic damage (that set countless records)

- F3 tornado just across the border OTG for 37 miles

I'm in complete agreement...

We're in a year of remarkable and often historic off-the-chart anomalies.

To CT Rain's list, add October snowfall >> Nov + Dec (and an East Coast earthquake).

And as I said in another thread, we're finishing up the 3rd inning of a no-hitter... at what point do we start rooting for a complete no-hitter? I think that's more intriguing and exciting than a few inches of slush or a couple nickel events here and there.

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I'm in complete agreement...

We're in a year of remarkable and often historic off-the-chart anomalies.

To CT Rain's list, add October snowfall >> Nov + Dec (and an East Coast earthquake).

And as I said in another thread, we're finishing up the 3rd inning of a no-hitter... at what point do we start rooting for a complete no-hitter? I think that's more intriguing and exciting than a few inches of slush or a couple nickel events here and there.

If we get to 1/15 with no end to the pattern in site, I switch to rooting for a run of the table....no snow...an inch in October that does it. almost impossible but who knows? It would flush the toity and hopefully lower our expectations so much that whatever we get next winter will be appreciated.

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embrace the torch!

.LONG TERM /MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/...

A WAVY...LOW AMPLITUDE PACIFIC FLOW WILL BE IN PLACE ACROSS NORTH

AMERICA DURING MUCH OF THE WEEK BETWEEN CHRISTMAS/BOXING DAY AND NEW

YEARS. IN FACT...THE ECMWF MODEL GOES AS FAR AS TO ADVERTISE A ZONAL

FLOW FROM SOUTHEAST ASIA ACROSS THE UNITED STATES BETWEEN ABOUT 30N

TO 45N THROUGH A GOOD CHUNK OF THIS PERIOD. MEANWHILE...BLOCKING

WILL REMAIN ABSENT ACROSS THE NORTH ATLANTIC AS A PERSISTENT

ICELANDIC LOW WILL ENCOURAGE AN ANOMALOUSLY STRONG UPPER LEVEL JET

NEAR THE CANADIAN MARITIMES. THIS JET WILL CONTINUE TO BLOCK ANY

ARCTIC AIR FROM INTRUDING SOUTHWARDS INTO THE LOWER 48.

A LOOK AT NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC TELECONNECTIONS FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEK

PERIOD SHOWS A CONTINUATION OF +AO AND +NAO...NEUTRAL PNA...AND THE

MJO STUCK IN PHASE 4-5 OF THE WHEELER PHASE SPACE PLOT. IN SIMPLE

TERMS...THE OVERALL FLOW WILL REMAIN UNBELIEVABLY PROGRESSIVE AND

MILD...WITH A HIGH CONFIDENCE OF ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES

CONTINUING THROUGH THE END OF THE MONTH AND AT LEAST THE FIRST WEEK

OF JANUARY. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THERE WILL NOT BE A FEW BRIEF SHOTS

OF COLDER WEATHER AND A FEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR SNOW...BUT ON AVERAGE

OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS THE WARMTH WILL CONTINUE.

WITH THE WET SNOW FAILING TO STICK IN BUFFALO AND ROCHESTER EARLY

THIS MORNING...BOTH CITIES ARE VIRTUALLY ASSURED OF A SNOW-LESS

CHRISTMAS THIS YEAR. IN FACT...THE ONLY AREAS THAT MAY STILL HAVE

WHITE GROUND CHRISTMAS MORNING ARE THE HILLTOPS OF THE SOUTHERN

TIER AND HIGHER TERRAIN EAST OF LAKE ONTARIO...BUT EVEN IN THESE

AREAS JUST A MINOR COATING MAY REMAIN.

THE WINTER OF 2011-12 HAS STARTED AT A RECORD SLOW PACE IN THE

SNOWFALL CATEGORY ACROSS WESTERN AND CENTRAL NEW YORK. THROUGH

DECEMBER 22ND...THE CURRENT SNOW THIS SEASON OF 3.0 INCHES

(BUFFALO) AND 2.5 INCHES (ROCHESTER) ARE WELL BELOW NORMAL THUS

FAR. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL YEARS THAT HAVE HAD SIMILAR STARTS

THOUGH. BELOW IS A LIST OF THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SNOW IN BOTH

CITIES IN PREVIOUS YEARS ON RECORD...MEASURED AT THE RESPECTIVE

AIRPORTS...THROUGH AND INCLUDING CHRISTMAS EVE.

BUFFALO

1 3.0 2011

2 3.1 1998

3 3.3 1931

4 3.6 1896

5 4.3 1918

...

10 6.5 1888

...

15 7.8 1891

***NORMAL THROUGH DECEMBER 24TH 29.1***

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If we get to 1/15 with no end to the pattern in site, I switch to rooting for a run of the table....no snow...an inch in October that does it. almost impossible but who knows? It would flush the toity and hopefully lower our expectations so much that whatever we get next winter will be appreciated.

My thinking is if we can have an October snowstorm, then why can't we have no snow all of met. winter?

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i think this saturday through monday/tuesday is the first time all season we've had a trough replace a trough...that may say something going forward with respect to the strength of the northern stream.

don't know how much it will really show itself in terms of sensible weather...outside of maybe knocking back on the number of southern stream cutters?

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If we get to 1/15 with no end to the pattern in site, I switch to rooting for a run of the table....no snow...an inch in October that does it. almost impossible but who knows? It would flush the toity and hopefully lower our expectations so much that whatever we get next winter will be appreciated.

Don't worry, the rubber band will snap...in April. If it's not going to snow, and we have to have this God-awful torch, then let's have it until June. Then let it turn anomalously cool. Summer '09 was one of the best in my opinion.

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embrace the torch!

.LONG TERM /MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/...

A WAVY...LOW AMPLITUDE PACIFIC FLOW WILL BE IN PLACE ACROSS NORTH

AMERICA DURING MUCH OF THE WEEK BETWEEN CHRISTMAS/BOXING DAY AND NEW

YEARS. IN FACT...THE ECMWF MODEL GOES AS FAR AS TO ADVERTISE A ZONAL

FLOW FROM SOUTHEAST ASIA ACROSS THE UNITED STATES BETWEEN ABOUT 30N

TO 45N THROUGH A GOOD CHUNK OF THIS PERIOD. MEANWHILE...BLOCKING

WILL REMAIN ABSENT ACROSS THE NORTH ATLANTIC AS A PERSISTENT

ICELANDIC LOW WILL ENCOURAGE AN ANOMALOUSLY STRONG UPPER LEVEL JET

NEAR THE CANADIAN MARITIMES. THIS JET WILL CONTINUE TO BLOCK ANY

ARCTIC AIR FROM INTRUDING SOUTHWARDS INTO THE LOWER 48.

A LOOK AT NORTHERN HEMISPHERIC TELECONNECTIONS FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEK

PERIOD SHOWS A CONTINUATION OF +AO AND +NAO...NEUTRAL PNA...AND THE

MJO STUCK IN PHASE 4-5 OF THE WHEELER PHASE SPACE PLOT. IN SIMPLE

TERMS...THE OVERALL FLOW WILL REMAIN UNBELIEVABLY PROGRESSIVE AND

MILD...WITH A HIGH CONFIDENCE OF ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES

CONTINUING THROUGH THE END OF THE MONTH AND AT LEAST THE FIRST WEEK

OF JANUARY. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THERE WILL NOT BE A FEW BRIEF SHOTS

OF COLDER WEATHER AND A FEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR SNOW...BUT ON AVERAGE

OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS THE WARMTH WILL CONTINUE.

WITH THE WET SNOW FAILING TO STICK IN BUFFALO AND ROCHESTER EARLY

THIS MORNING...BOTH CITIES ARE VIRTUALLY ASSURED OF A SNOW-LESS

CHRISTMAS THIS YEAR. IN FACT...THE ONLY AREAS THAT MAY STILL HAVE

WHITE GROUND CHRISTMAS MORNING ARE THE HILLTOPS OF THE SOUTHERN

TIER AND HIGHER TERRAIN EAST OF LAKE ONTARIO...BUT EVEN IN THESE

AREAS JUST A MINOR COATING MAY REMAIN.

THE WINTER OF 2011-12 HAS STARTED AT A RECORD SLOW PACE IN THE

SNOWFALL CATEGORY ACROSS WESTERN AND CENTRAL NEW YORK. THROUGH

DECEMBER 22ND...THE CURRENT SNOW THIS SEASON OF 3.0 INCHES

(BUFFALO) AND 2.5 INCHES (ROCHESTER) ARE WELL BELOW NORMAL THUS

FAR. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL YEARS THAT HAVE HAD SIMILAR STARTS

THOUGH. BELOW IS A LIST OF THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SNOW IN BOTH

CITIES IN PREVIOUS YEARS ON RECORD...MEASURED AT THE RESPECTIVE

AIRPORTS...THROUGH AND INCLUDING CHRISTMAS EVE.

BUFFALO

1   3.0     2011

2   3.1     1998

3   3.3     1931

4   3.6     1896

5   4.3     1918

...

10  6.5     1888

...

15  7.8     1891

***NORMAL THROUGH DECEMBER 24TH 29.1***

odds say they do not stay in top 5 with that strong 5h coming overhead, nice LES?

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i think this saturday through monday/tuesday is the first time all season we've had a trough replace a trough...that may say something going forward with respect to the strength of the northern stream.

don't know how much it will really show itself in terms of sensible weather...outside of maybe knocking back on the number of southern stream cutters?

you can actually see this pretty nicely in the op gfs ( :axe: ) on today's runs.

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