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December 23rd light snow potential


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I think thermal profiles on GFS are too warm, which isn't all that out of the ordinary in a setup like this...the Euro/EC ensembles were a bit colder. So I might favor a track similar to GFS because its track wasn't that different than Euro...it was just warmer.

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You know better than anyone how bad the GFS is going to bust on this with it's thermal profiles. You've ridden the GFS and in the end it always flips you over and rides you

Nope, not this "winter", this is a different beast, the se ridge is fatter than any of Jerry's squirrels, its wagons nw, the gfs has not budged for tom night/friday while everything else has waffled. It sniffed out the xmas no show, you should know the euro bias, in the end everything south of ct mass border gets overwhelmed by warmth. Pick your poison, south and shredded, no VV's or north and amped with VV's for most of us the end result is the same.

GFS has been consistent this week, if it ends up wrong, well, everyone is happy and you can keep ****ting on it.

Good luck.

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Nope, not this "winter", this is a different beast, the se ridge is fatter than any of Jerry's squirrels, its wagons nw, the gfs has not budged for tom night/friday while everything else has waffled. It sniffed out the xmas no show, you should know the euro bias, in the end everything south of ct mass border gets overwhelmed by warmth. Pick your poison, south and shredded, no VV's or north and amped with VV's for most of us the end result is the same.

GFS has been consistent this week, if it ends up wrong, well, everyone is happy and you can keep ****ting on it.

Good luck.

What are you going to do tomorrow nite when the models bring back the Xmas storm?

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This week, and sniffing out the no show xmas a thon, yep it has, thats what we are talking about. And by the way the reverse pych is getting old, just enjoy the snow tomorrow night:)

Hey I agree with you about the GFS...it's really not that bad of a model and verification wise it schools the NAM. It's mid and upper level scores are decent and it's synoptics are good. I think folks just think it's bad due to its sfc temps but upper levels on the GFS are quite reliable.

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What is sad will be tomorrows antecedent conditions, without it we do not worry to the coast. A well torched LL will take a while to cool down and wet bulb. What are the temps Sat? If we get an inch does it make to Sun? I just looked at my barely white cover for last Christmas and laughed, who would have known the next month it would be 38 OTG. Pattern is as bad as it gets but there is light.

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Yeah when the Euro had this system a couple days ago, I think the GFS had a weak wave hitting Bermuda.

Yeah but I still find myself having more faith in the GFS over the NAM but certainly not as much as the EC. I don't know why but I just have never felt good about basing a forecast off the NAM which is why I have a hard time believing that no sig forcing gets into CNE like the NAM shows.

Just take the GFS and cool the low levels 1-2C.

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What is sad will be tomorrows antecedent conditions, without it we do not worry to the coast. A well torched LL will take a while to cool down and wet bulb. What are the temps Sat? If we get an inch does it make to Sun? I just looked at my barely white cover for last Christmas and laughed, who would have known the next month it would be 38 OTG. Pattern is as bad as it gets but there is light.

Saturday should be pretty cold...esp the spots that stay mostly cloudy. But even without it, it should be in the 30s most spots and I could even see N ORH hills and Berkshires not making it out of the 20s. I've thought the Xmas eve airmass was being a bit underplayed for a few days but BOX finally said in their AFD today that Sat would be at or below avg.

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Yeah but I still find myself having more faith in the GFS over the NAM but certainly not as much as the EC. I don't know why but I just have never felt good about basing a forecast off the NAM which is why I have a hard time believing that no sig forcing gets into CNE like the NAM shows.

Just take the GFS and cool the low levels 1-2C.

Oh I would never use the NAM in a SWFE...esp at this range. GFS does pretty well in them, though can sometimes be too warm.

The NAM scores its points in systems with a lot of convection...it destroyed the GFS last year in the 1/12 storm. Ditto in the Oct storm this year.

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I guess you're narrowly missing the ice around there. Most of Quebec is locked in the 20s with quite a bit of ice tonight.

Socked in dense fog here and 38 ...hasn't budged in five hours.

Yeah but I still find myself having more faith in the GFS over the NAM but certainly not as much as the EC. I don't know why but I just have never felt good about basing a forecast off the NAM which is why I have a hard time believing that no sig forcing gets into CNE like the NAM shows.

Just take the GFS and cool the low levels 1-2C.

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Saturday should be pretty cold...esp the spots that stay mostly cloudy. But even without it, it should be in the 30s most spots and I could even see N ORH hills and Berkshires not making it out of the 20s. I've thought the Xmas eve airmass was being a bit underplayed for a few days but BOX finally said in their AFD today that Sat would be at or below avg.

Will, do you believe there will be a rebirth of the xmas/boxing day storm?

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What is sad will be tomorrows antecedent conditions, without it we do not worry to the coast. A well torched LL will take a while to cool down and wet bulb. What are the temps Sat? If we get an inch does it make to Sun? I just looked at my barely white cover for last Christmas and laughed, who would have known the next month it would be 38 OTG. Pattern is as bad as it gets but there is light.

Indeed. They aren't able to keep up with the snow in Willow. Another 12" today. 30" at Thompson's Pass. Eventually it will be our turn.

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Indeed. They aren't able to keep up with the snow in Willow. Another 12" today. 30" at Thompson's Pass. Eventually it will be our turn.

Meh who cares about alaska, and its sad that mad river glen is closed in north central vermont due to lack of snow as we approach xmas. Reality sucks... especially when it hurts our fellow ne's wallets, but carry on.......big big winter....xxx..........those of us that live in the real world are delusional:) :violin::cry::flood:

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Meh who cares about alaska, and its sad that mad river glen is closed in north central vermont due to lack of snow as we approach xmas. Reality sucks... especially when it hurts our fellow ne's wallets, but carry on.......big big winter....xxx..........those of us that live in the real world are delusional:) :violin::cry::flood:

vim toot!

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