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Holiday week storm(s) discussion


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850 temps are below freezing, even so, I clicked on the 12z CMC link, no idea why I got 00z graphics, must have made an error

Doesnt mean anything. Look at hour 66 of the 18z NAM. 850 line is cold enough. Unfortunately, thicknesses are warm and surface is in the mid 40's.

That CMC map is no doubt warm at the surface. Well into the 40's.

Is this snow then too? No.

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I nearly died when I saw that post. He had me going though for a few seconds til I checked the 850 temps.

That and metfan posting the dgex and analyzing it 30 minutes after it had been beaten to death yesterday is about the only thing funny right now given how bad things look.

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Doesnt mean anything. Look at hour 66 of the 18z NAM. 850 line is cold enough. Unfortunately, thicknesses are warm and surface is in the mid 40's.

That CMC map is no doubt warm at the surface. Well into the 40's.

Is this snow then too? No.

18znam850mbTSLPp06066.gif

On 11/29/95 in a similar setup it WAS snow, problem is the 1000-850mb layer is a steam bath this time vs that

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Doesnt mean anything. Look at hour 66 of the 18z NAM. 850 line is cold enough. Unfortunately, thicknesses are warm and surface is in the mid 40's.

That CMC map is no doubt warm at the surface. Well into the 40's.

Is this snow then too? No.

18znam850mbTSLPp06066.gif

WIth decent VV's this has the potential to be a very quick isothermal snow in the suburbs of nyc, 18z has cooled substantially, and temps actually crash during the height of the event. I would think this scenario would give accumulating snows to interior nnj se ny and sw ct.

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WIth decent VV's this has the potential to be a very quick isothermal snow in the suburbs of nyc, 18z has cooled substantially, and temps actually crash during the height of the event. I would think this scenario would give accumulating snows to interior nnj se ny and sw ct.

I dunno man, its piss warm at the surface, its gonna take a lot more than some decent vv's with that crappy air mass.

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Well, you know things suck when you check the analogs and not a single SECS comes up. By the way just incase anybody didn't know, here is the link to the new CIPS Analog site

http://www.eas.slu.e...COLD/analog.php

Depending on what you look at, you can find some probs for snowfall. For example this prob of 2" or greater

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WIth decent VV's this has the potential to be a very quick isothermal snow in the suburbs of nyc, 18z has cooled substantially, and temps actually crash during the height of the event. I would think this scenario would give accumulating snows to interior nnj se ny and sw ct.

Doubt it.

Surface temps are torched. Hour 63, has surface temps in the 50's for almost all of CT, NYC, al of SNE and even into ORH land:

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pretty clear what the gfs is doing, its taking the northern stream energy and just racing it along the canadian border which leaves the southern stream on its own and thus the flat look.

The euro digs the northern stream, as does the cmc, and you get the phased rainer.

Both scenarios pretty much suck for us unless this takes on a different look. The airmass is craptastic.

Hard to go against the euro but it, like the cmc, has been known to over phase things at times.

EDIT: The gfs solution sucks less because it is dry, lol

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pretty clear what the gfs is doing, its taking the northern stream energy and just racing it along the canadian border which leaves the southern stream on its own and thus the flat look.

The euro digs the northern stream, as does the cmc, and you get the phased rainer.

Both scenarios pretty much suck for us unless this takes on a different look. The airmass is craptastic.

Hard to go against the euro but it, like the cmc, has been known to over phase things at times.

EDIT: The gfs solution sucks less because it is dry, lol

Nothing is set in stone, especially 4 -5 days out. Watch the next model run flip flop again to another solution. Expect more erratic runs to continue that's for sure. Then perhaps revert back to their original outlook which happens more often then not.

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I personally would rather have a sunny Christmas than a rainy Christmas.

strongly agree. There is nothing to slow down and amplify the pattern so its just a flat trough and suppresses whatever energy there was..the ridge out west also backed off from previous model runs.

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A coastal that brings a solid rainstorm.

Yeah, very exciting. And then it develops some cold sector precipitation at 198 hours with 850's and 1000-500mb thicknesses supportive for snow. It's too bad temperatures are in the mid 40's.

Pleasant pattern. If this is the way it's going to play out, torch me.

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