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Holiday week storm(s) discussion


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yea... nothing spectacular on this run... the kicker s/w out west pushes the ridge east and keeps it from amplifying.. not that much interaction..OTS

kicker would have minimal impact if the northern stream energy presented like before, but alas, its not there this time

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northern stream doesnt dig as much and the trough takes on a v shaped look so we dont get a phase or amplification, still worth watching. Dont forget there is atleast 3-4 systems before that one that the models have to get through. Also the overall setup doesnt look like anything would cut inland, atleast imo.

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End result of the euro. A storm track just inside the BM, probly too warm verbatim with the high slipping off the coast of Maine. Ridge out west is nice, the trough is also good. The northern stream dives hard in the Midwest which helps amplify the trough.

In future runs, we are gonna need a stronger low to get snow. The H5 trough never really goes negative so it can't deepen rapidly.

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However, the ECMWF solution is arguably a "thump snow" where the UVM-induced wet snow comes ahead of the warming profiles.

that high pressure just didnt want to leave until the very last second, lol.

euro has another storm coming out of the gulf around new years

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End result of the euro. A storm track just inside the BM, probly too warm verbatim with the high slipping off the coast of Maine. Ridge out west is nice, the trough is also good. The northern stream dives hard in the Midwest which helps amplify the trough.

In future runs, we are gonna need a stronger low to get snow. The H5 trough never really goes negative so it can't deepen rapidly.

Is this for the Christmas Eve - Christmas Day storm or the potential storm on the 27th with the third shortwave?

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Wunderground ECM weenie maps give NW areas a decent amount of snow from 141-150..

Thats is great 18% of the posters get a gift, wonderful, This is a joke, just like January looks like one. At this point as weather enthusiasts we should root for a snowless winter. Not that I'm rooting for it but as weather enthusiasts we should root for a snowless winter, just so we can say we experienced it. The October storm at least makes this winter worthwhile.

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the last of the shortwave events which is around the 26th, the ones before that pretty much have no shot to give nyc snow :(

The most desirable outcome I want is the 0z GGEM solution, which is a compromise between the 0z GFS and the 0z Euro. We need to have a bit of a flatter ridge out over the Rockies so that the southern shortwave does not get overly amplified into the ensuing trough. The northern shortwave from Canada should dive in harder and faster so that heights out ahead of the system would be lower. I also hope that we get a series of shortwaves rather than one shortwave; because a single shortwave tends to be very strong by itself and pumps more WAA with it.

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It's really sad how bad the models suck every run is different

this is probably more appropriate for the banter thread, but the models dont "suck". Your looking at storm systems three to five days away and the models do a remarkable job with the 500mb setup that far out. There are so many different things that go into predicting what the atmosphere will do, especially with heat release. Fact is, because they show a storm 50 miles inland one run then 50 miles ots another doesnt mean they suck, its just what happens trying to show something that far out in time. Are some much better than others? yes, the euro is ions ahead of the nogaps, yes, and comparitively, it sucks, lol, but the gfs and euro and ukie do an extremely good job at giving us a ballpark of what will happen very far out in time.

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this is probably more appropriate for the banter thread, but the models dont "suck". Your looking at storm systems three to five days away and the models do a remarkable job with the 500mb setup that far out. There are so many different things that go into predicting what the atmosphere will do, especially with heat release. Fact is, because they show a storm 50 miles inland one run then 50 miles ots another doesnt mean they suck, its just what happens trying to show something that far out in time. Are some much better than others? yes, the euro is ions ahead of the nogaps, yes, and comparitively, it sucks, lol, but the gfs and euro and ukie do an extremely good job at giving us a ballpark of what will happen very far out in time.

Yeah true, check Philly thread Jb map showing us in heaviest snow for sat-mon storm 3, didn't last night he say warm.

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