IsentropicLift Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I stand by my previous argument. For the greater NYC metro, Boxing Day is #1 in terms of intensity and winds. #2 or #3 in terms of snowfall compared to 96' and PDII. Now imagine a 96 setup with a Boxing Day low intensity. It's fun to dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Here is the radar loop out of KDIX for 96, the duration alone is just crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 One year ago at this hour, I meaured a varied range of 24-27 inches of snow. With a high end of 33" (likely due to wind) and low range of 20.5". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwinter23 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Exactly my point. Queens area received around 1" of qpf only. To receive 20", like a lot reported, would require 20 to 1 ratios. Suspect. The big snow drifts skewed a lot of snow amounts. snow and wind is notorious for undercatching when it comes to qpf...It was ten-fold with the Boxing Day event...would not look too far into those qpf totals at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I don't think anyone is arguing that. It's just when you get thunder and lightning and 2-4" an hour with tropical storm force wind gusts in some cases for 6 to 8 hours, for people who got to experience that, 96 just doesn't measure up. It would be tough to spread that kind of intensity out over a large area like in 96 and most of what made 96 so great was the slow moving nature of the storm and the extreme cold making the ratios that much better. s I stand by my previous argument. For the greater NYC metro, Boxing Day is #1 in terms of intensity and winds. #2 or #3 in terms of snowfall compared to 96' and PDII. Now imagine a 96 setup with a Boxing Day low intensity. It's fun to dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 For those talking about February 6, 2010 and January 6, 1996... totals were quite comparable, espeically near DC-BWI, for PHL, though '96 is the king, it was probably undermeasured a tad as well. I think PHL got closer to 36 inches in 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I stand by my previous argument. For the greater NYC metro, Boxing Day is #1 in terms of intensity and winds. #2 or #3 in terms of snowfall compared to 96' and PDII. Now imagine a 96 setup with a Boxing Day low intensity. It's fun to dream. The answer for your setup is February Blizzard of 1978 being 150 miles south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 But for the Coastal midatlantic, SE of I-95 2/6/10 is king, along with 12/09 of course as those areas cashed out big time. I think AC/Cape May/Delaware mostly got 6 to 12" of snow before changing over in 96 and most of those locales did better a month later with the Feb nor'easter. For those talking about February 6, 2010 and January 6, 1996... totals were quite comparable, espeically near DC-BWI, for PHL, though '96 is the king, it was probably undermeasured a tad as well. I think PHL got closer to 36 inches in 1996. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 But for the Coastal midatlantic, SE of I-95 2/6/10 is king, along with 12/09 of course as those areas cashed out big time. I think AC/Cape May/Delaware mostly got 6 to 12" of snow before changing over in 96 and most of those locales did better a month later with the Feb nor'easter. Yes, fhose near coastal MD got 30" of snow for Feb 6, 2010. December 19, 2009 was awesome for Atlantic County NJ, as around 26 inches fell there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Earthlight was the biggest weenie that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 snow and wind is notorious for undercatching when it comes to qpf...It was ten-fold with the Boxing Day event...would not look too far into those qpf totals at all My core samples from the 96 blizzard had more qpf than my rain guage...at least 25% more...I don't have my notes with me but I think the guage was 12/1 and the ground core sample was 9/1...I had some sleet/grauple so it compacted more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Earthlight was the biggest weenie that day. I totally was. Yesterday I read through some of the posts...you came in and asked me if I was naked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Picture of my street absolutely buried from Boxing day. Over 3' of snow on the street from all the blowing and drifting. NYC plows were on a mini-strike and did not plow streets for at least 3-4 days. Incredible: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I totally was. Yesterday I read through some of the posts...you came in and asked me if I was naked. Of course I did..lol. Well I'm kidding of course, because you had every right. I was fortunate to get a local jackpot at home too. Close to 20". My best storm of the winter. Whayt a storm for you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Earthlight was the biggest weenie that day. Although to be fair, the reason I was going nuts was because I had totally grasped the situation. I was sitting under a re-generating deformation band that was similar to the historic snowstorms of all the years past. Stuff like that doesn't happen...for a dude who loves snow it was unbelievable. I'm sure we will see something synoptically similar to 12/26, someday, but what are the chances that my specific location is hammered the most out of anywhere? Probably zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I'll never forget Scott posted his famous deformation banding graphic from plymouth a few hours before the storm...man that got me pumped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 96 and 2003 were totally different animals compared to the Boxing Day event.. 96 and 2003 were (definitely 2003) if my memory serves me correctly were more or less over running events.. The storms themselves were not very strong.. There were VERY cold/strong highs to the north that created a gradient which obviously created the wind impact in 96 and 2003.. The winds were probably in the 25-40mph range in those events.. where as in the boxing day storm, inconjunction w/ the strong storm and the high pressure to the north caused extreme winds.. Also, the reason for the strong forcing/banding and prolific snow rates was also b/c of the strength of the storm, whereas in 96 and 03, there were copious amounts of snow but not the crazy banding experienced in the boxing day event.. 1996 had hours of overunning precip, well ahead of the storm, and then the coastal took over at night with blizzard conditions and 2"-4" an hour rates for hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dsnowx53 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 PD2 had insane overrunning and 36 hours of strong 700mb frontogenesis in the northern mid Atlantic. Also had really good isentropic lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I'll never forget Scott posted his famous deformation banding graphic from plymouth a few hours before the storm...man that got me pumped up. That's actually from wright-weather. When I saw that signal on Christmas, I knew you guys would get nailed. Those graphics never fail and the principles that guide them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Right. I miss those Miller A type storms where its just a large blob of green headed our way with no dry slots or having to worry about waiting for the storm to bomb out before we see any heavy snow. That's what 2/6/10 looked like when it unfortunately ran into a brick wall of confluence. 1996 had hours of overunning precip, well ahead of the storm, and then the coastal took over at night with blizzard conditions and 2"-4" an hour rates for hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 That's actually from wright-weather. When I saw that signal on Christmas, I knew you guys would get nailed. Those graphics never fail and the principles that guide them. features >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> model qpf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Humidity Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Although to be fair, the reason I was going nuts was because I had totally grasped the situation. I was sitting under a re-generating deformation band that was similar to the historic snowstorms of all the years past. Stuff like that doesn't happen...for a dude who loves snow it was unbelievable. I'm sure we will see something synoptically similar to 12/26, someday, but what are the chances that my specific location is hammered the most out of anywhere? Probably zero. I don't know, that bright orange dot over Ocean County might be a little bigger than yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hailstorm Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 I think it is safe to say that this thread breaks the record for the number of replies in regards to a storm remembrance thread. Thanks for all your contributions and feedback, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I think it is safe to say that this thread breaks the record for the number of replies in regards to a storm remembrance thread. Thanks for all your contributions and feedback, guys. just wait till Ag3 and I start the 1/27 rememberance thread ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hailstorm Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 just wait till Ag3 and I start the 1/27 rememberance thread ;-) I still think that if we experienced another March 1888 blizzard, it would top any remembrance thread and receive up to 4,500 replies. Of course, that would comprise about 225 total pages, which necessitates the creation of 5 total threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 march 1888 tried to repeat itself in feb 2010. But temps were just not cold enough though to convert the 3" of QPF to a better accumulating snow around nyc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwinter23 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 One more remembrance article for the 1 year anniversary http://weatherworksi...lizzard-of-2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 march 1888 tried to repeat itself in feb 2010. But temps were just not cold enough though to convert the 3" of QPF to a better accumulating snow around nyc. NYC still got 21" from that storm. And a general 14"-17" fell from Queens on west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmagan Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 00Z December 27, 2010 MSLP, Observations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/SOO/case_studies/12262010.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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