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you sure that union reading is right? It was way lower than me this morning, and now it's 5* lower than my location right now. Is your station the "Stickney Hill" one? I'm seeing 12F there, and 17+ nearly everywhere around it. Just seems weird...

There is waaaay too much questioning of peoples obs. Noone is going to lie about what the temp is. The rural places surrounded by forest are going to be colder. Period

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There is waaaay too much questioning of peoples obs. Noone is going to lie about what the temp is. The rural places surrounded by forest are going to be colder. Period

I agree...micro climates are all around. You can't just estimate.

In terms of my Union site, I've anecdotally noticed in the past couple of years that I've been tapping up there that I'd get less sap than I thought I would and I suspected that it was getting colder in the mornings and taking the trees longer to thaw and I guess that was right. It's a unique spot...most times you have 1000'+ station east of the CT river (in CT) it's a hill top but this is a valley!

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Yeah, pretty sure. I have two sensors up there. One at the bottom of the hill and one about 50-75' from the top on a level area. The one at the top of the hill goes to MADIS and get's QC'd and so far it's two thumbs up. If anything, it runs warm during the day because of solar heating issues. I'm trying to figure out how to address that since there is no power and batteries would wear out too quickly.

http://weather.glads....net/site/D8905

The one at the bottom of the hill get's sent to Weather Underground and it's the one there labelled "Stickney Hill" after the road. That one sits in a bowl about 1050' surrounded by 1300' hills.

FWIW, I'm 14° in Stafford Springs at 650'. The high temp was 26° here and accounting for adiabatic cooling, it should be at least a couple of degrees cooler up there which would account for a 2-3° difference between here and there now.

Oh wow, I didn't know the elevations got that high out there...makes sense.

There is waaaay too much questioning of peoples obs. Noone is going to lie about what the temp is. The rural places surrounded by forest are going to be colder. Period

Calm down baldylocks I was just curious

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I agree...micro climates are all around. You can't just estimate.

It would help if we could vouch for the siting of a questioned thermometer. Many are reluctant to put thermometers in direct sunlight, but that is how it should be. When we're arguing over a degree or two or three it does make a difference especially during the day.

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It would help if we could vouch for the siting of a questioned thermometer. Many are reluctant to put thermometers in direct sunlight, but that is how it should be. When we're arguing over a degree or two or three it does make a difference especially during the day.

Agreed, but what are you gonna do

At least nightime temps are not affected

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It would help if we could vouch for the siting of a questioned thermometer. Many are reluctant to put thermometers in direct sunlight, but that is how it should be. When we're arguing over a degree or two or three it does make a difference especially during the day.

I agree...siting is a big issue some times but really on effects things during the day with clear skies. The sensor in question here is as open as it can be using published siting guidelines.

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I forgot what it felt like to feel cold before this evening at Wachusett

Driving around today I saw several large ponds with a thin layer of ice, even at noon time. I was surprised by that since it has been so warm and I live in the warmest part of New England. Figured water temps were nowhere close enough to support ice, let alone during the maximum heating of the day.

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Driving around today I saw several large ponds with a thin layer of ice, even at noon time. I was surprised by that since it has been so warm and I live in the warmest part of New England. Figured water temps were nowhere close enough to support ice, let alone during the maximum heating of the day.

We have had ice on and off. The pond near me where my town has an outhouse through the ice contest each year is mostly ice free. Of course that one is deep. Some of the smaller ponds have iced over.

Keep meaning to see how far down the ground has frozen.

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well that's what snowman21 was saying..it's not true. Ideally, they are located in shade.

To clarify, I did mean with a radiation shield of some kind - whether a passive or actively aspirated variety. From the Office of the Federal Meteorological Coordinator with regards to siting of co-op stations:

Temperature sensor siting: The sensor should be mounted 5 feet +/- 1 foot above the ground. The ground over which the shelter [radiation] is located should be typical of the surrounding area. A level, open clearing is desirable so the thermometers are freely ventilated by air flow. Do not install the sensor on a steep slope or in a sheltered hollow unless it is typical of the area or unless data from that type of site are desired. When possible, the shelter should be no closer than four times the height of any obstruction (tree, fence, building, etc.). The sensor should be at least 100 feet from any paved or concrete surface.

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lol........Fan Aspiration

This is that switch in the bathroom after I drop a bomb (uh oh, deletion soon)

My crappy thermo is reading 9F, but the local meso sites are in the 10 to 11F range, Nice snowmaking wx

I wish WaWa had a station on the summit that we could access. I know they have thermometers, etc. up there, but not online

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