Harry Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Muskegon as of 12/19: 1.0 inch for the entire season so far...15-17 inches below what we should have... (avg. season snowfall: 106 inches) Where are you getting 106" from? I know it used to be over 100".. Per GRR the average there now is 93.7" That is using the 1981-2011 norms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 Where are you getting 106" from? I know it used to be over 100".. Per GRR the average there now is 93.7" That is using the 1981-2011 norms. http://www.calvin.edu/academic/geology/coastaldunes/environment/snow.htm http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2009/11/weatherman_expects_more_normal.html (This one is quoted from Ostuno of the NWS) These, I assume, include the amazing winters from the 1970's. I have also seen average seasonal snowfall for here at 97 inches...so it all seems to depend on the decades that are included. So, I'd say avg. snowfall is somewhere around 95 to 105 inches for here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 http://www.calvin.ed...onment/snow.htm http://www.mlive.com...ore_normal.html (This one is quoted from Ostuno of the NWS) These, I assume, include the amazing winters from the 1970's. I have also seen average seasonal snowfall for here at 97 inches...so it all seems to depend on the decades that are included. So, I'd say avg. snowfall is somewhere around 95 to 105 inches for here. Thanks. Yeah if you go to the nowdata section you will find a updated list of a slew of locations across W.MI. including there. Ofcourse there is still the issue of some missing data at a few sites as well. That has been a problem here an a few other sites. http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/xmacis.php?wfo=grr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I agree, for locales that don't average a ton of snow like DTW and ORD, it's not that hard to make up snow in the record books because a "typical" snow season isn't a winter blast from November 1 to March 31. Case in point, if every Saturday from Nov 1 to Mar 31, Detroit had a 1.9" snowfall, the winter would be roughly "normal" so every time you toss in a 4 inch storm in that pattern you have to skip the next Saturday's snowfall, and if you get a 6" storm, you have to skip any snow for 3 more weeks. For DTW, a typical winter IS full of relatively long snowless periods with a general hard hitting couple of weeks or two scattered about the season. Even if you truncate the snow season down to a meager 90 day window, you only have to achieve about 6 or 7 inches every half month to get to normal - not terribly difficult. But of course, once you move to locales that start to average 70, 100, 130, 180 and so forth inches it gets progressively harder to make up snow because for those locales a typical winter IS a hard hitting blast of snow from Nov 1 to Mar 31. So each week lost of no snow there means a week lost of winter. A week lost of no snow at DTW is just another typical winter, whether those empty snowless weeks occur in mid to late December, January, February, etc is a crapshoot each year. Of course one would prefer the long snowless stretches to occur once snow is on the ground, which can definitely distinguish the quality of season between two seemingly normal low 40" winters. Thats a good point. So far DTW has had 5.4" on the season and 4 days with 1"+ snowcover. An average winter yields 42.7" of snow and 49 days of 1"+ snowcover. So while NO snowlover can be enjoying the bare ground 5 days before Christmas, there is plenty of time for us to hit and even exceed average. Whether or not it happens is to be seen, but statistically only 15% of our snow season should be over by now. Up north is a different story. While theres still plenty of time for great snow play, historic storms, etc....the time lost is a different story and a taller mountain to climb. No matter how great the rest of winter is, having bare ground in mid-December is costing them big time if they want to reach normal snowcover, and the snowfall deficit is also growing daily. The longer it lasts, the harder it will be to erase this deficit. And even if the deficit does get erased, it wont help the money business owners lose over Christmas week. And its a damn shame because theres nothing like going up north to DEEP powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnweather Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Thats a good point. So far DTW has had 5.4" on the season and 4 days with 1"+ snowcover. An average winter yields 42.7" of snow and 49 days of 1"+ snowcover. So while NO snowlover can be enjoying the bare ground 5 days before Christmas, there is plenty of time for us to hit and even exceed average. Whether or not it happens is to be seen, but statistically only 15% of our snow season should be over by now. Up north is a different story. While theres still plenty of time for great snow play, historic storms, etc....the time lost is a different story and a taller mountain to climb. No matter how great the rest of winter is, having bare ground in mid-December is costing them big time if they want to reach normal snowcover, and the snowfall deficit is also growing daily. The longer it lasts, the harder it will be to erase this deficit. And even if the deficit does get erased, it wont help the money business owners lose over Christmas week. And its a damn shame because theres nothing like going up north to DEEP powder. I agree. Local businesses really suffer from this. We can still get big storms well into April though so all is certainly not lost. Some winter recreation can still be had up here in places though in the higher elevations where there is 4" of snow on the ground this week. It's still way behind what it should be though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 After 10" in 8 days we're up to 10.9" for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 13.3 inches. Todays snow depth is 3" of packed powder, and it is just our 9th day this season with 1"+ snowcover. It is nice to see that things have improved up north since this thread has been bumped (though not near where they should be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpsycho Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I have seen ~42" of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 17" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 17" With the first half of January looking more and more likely to pass snowless, odd of Chicago reaching top 10 least snowy status are looking good. EDIT: Given the less than rosey long range of the 12z Euro, good chance we ride into february with little to no snow. Going to need nearly 20 inches in a month or so just to avoid a top 10 low finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 well played (might tack on another inch to that total, monster flakes falling) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Damn it, I trolled him first. http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/31575-top-10-most-and-least-snowiest-seasons/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Around 5 most likely, 4 more to go. Might make it to normal for the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Damn it, I trolled him first. http://www.americanw...owiest-seasons/ My bad.. You can have the next one.. Im sure theres plenty of bump worthy material to be found for just about everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 My bad You can have the next one.. Im sure theres plenty to be found Ha ha. Anyways, 16.7" so far. Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Im just hoping for one more biggie 6-12, a few other mediums sized storms, and nickel/dimers over the next two months to get to right about normal snow for the season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 14.6" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 13.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 14.1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherdavewi Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 47.8" - still good enough for the lowest season to date total since 1939. Can't complain though...been a nice stretch of wintry weather the past week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 See below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Ann arbor at 23.1" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Not sure about MBy. But I'm almost sure it's still a sad sub 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 All lower peninsula snow will be deleted by Tuesday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Not official, but I would probably guess around 9-10" at home. DTW is at 13" for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherbo Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 28" around here..... winter still feels like a dud with the way its played out so far. I think it's amazing to note that South Bend started this month with a season total of only 5.7" of snow and 33.3" later is at 39". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Not sure about MBy. But I'm almost sure it's still a sad sub 20. I would say 14-17" for yby. Last several snowfalls have been pretty close, but a few of the Dec snowfalls you got noticeably more than DTW-south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Don't complain if you have above 20 inches, we get that much in Ohio in a year and it seems to be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmaxweather Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 1.5 nches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Season snowfall totals to date, through this evening's climate reports. There's something really wrong here. LAF: 17.2" La Crosse: 16.9" Flint: 16.4" Madison: 16.2" Dubuque: 16.2" Duluth: 14.5" Minneapolis: 14.4" Rockford: 13.4" Milwaukee: 13.2" Detroit: 13.0" Green Bay: 12.9" Chicago: 12.9" Fargo: 10.6" Des Moines: 10.0" Moline: 8.1" Bismarck: 5.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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