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Thursday Wintry Threat II


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Is my location in nw ct even mostly out of rhe game? Not expecting anything at school

I don't think anyone should be out of the game right now, a 30-50 mile tick SE will do wonders for SNE as tip said... we always see coastals trend SE and colder probably starting around the 00z suite tonight until leading up to storm..

People were saying the same thing as they are right now leading up to 10/29 and look what happened..

NAM leveled off a bit at 00z. I think a track close to the 10/29 track is likely. What did we see last year? Storm tracks tend to follow eachother throughout the year..

I love that this system is trending more dynamical too instead of a strung out POS

On the other hand, a score for the crazy uncle on this one

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:lol: im sure youll see something maybe not what it could have been but enough so you dont want to freak everyone out in your house

Dear Lord 9 times out of 10 that is a crushing snowstorm for almost all of SNE. That track and bombing out is perfect for us. That makes me want to knock over my Christmas Tree and step on all the ornaments

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Yeah I was thinking middle ground between the two. A compromise.

The biggest problem I'm seeing this morning, even up this way, is that the cold air at H85 is a lot slower than it was 24-36 hours ago. Which means the surface is lagging even further behind that. Summits don't even go below freezing until late tonight when yesterday it appeared like it would be sometime this afternoon. That front gets sort of stuck off to the NW. The latest RUC models at the end of their runs still have the cold air a long way off to the west as of even 4z tonight.

Even places that look like they'll do good on paper (ie weenie method of H85s of 0C to -3C), are still extremely warm in the lowest 3,000ft. And since we are so warm to begin with, that large QPF isn't from ridiculous UVVs from strong WAA, its just that this warmer air has higher precipital water values. Even in the QPF jackpot so to speak this still is extremely marginal.

over the weekend, the models backed way off on snow (with the bz waves yesterday and last night) through eastern ontario and ottawa valley. a snow event turned into primarily rain with a brief snow to end. as the real cold air got stuck in central ontario again.

the trend all fall has continued....overmodeling of the cold air in the mid range with backing off in the shortrange.

just a miserable pattern, but hopefully someon can score a decent snowfall.

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GFS implies mostly rain here in the Berks up through about 06Z Thursday. NAM gets us to snow around 03Z. If GFS is right even we waste a lot of QPF as rain before flipping to +SN for a few hours before ending around 12Z. That extra 3 hours of SN on the NAM vs. GFS would make a big difference around here.

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optimistic...

Nelly Carreno NECN Meteorologist

For those of you who have been asking me for snow..looks like Thursday is your lucky day (actually Wed night-Thursday morning.) A quick moving storm will pull cold air & turn rain to snow, dumping enough snow to shovel/plow in some areas. CT, RI & Cape/Islands looks like a dusting..Boston 1-3”, but from Worcester county west in MA & Windham county in VT, Cheshire & Hillsboro in NH we are looking at 3-6” w/higher terrains getting even more..Of course if the track of the storm changes a bit...so do amounts..on in 15min @NECN

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Nelly Carreno NECN Meteorologist

For those of you who have been asking me for snow..looks like Thursday is your lucky day (actually Wed night-Thursday morning.) A quick moving storm will pull cold air & turn rain to snow, dumping enough snow to shovel/plow in some areas. CT, RI & Cape/Islands looks like a dusting..Boston 1-3”, but from Worcester county west in MA & Windham county in VT, Cheshire & Hillsboro in NH we are looking at 3-6” w/higher terrains getting even more..Of course if the track of the storm changes a bit...so do amounts..on in 15min @NECN

Oh Nelly..........

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Nelly Carreno NECN Meteorologist

For those of you who have been asking me for snow..looks like Thursday is your lucky day (actually Wed night-Thursday morning.) A quick moving storm will pull cold air & turn rain to snow, dumping enough snow to shovel/plow in some areas. CT, RI & Cape/Islands looks like a dusting..Boston 1-3”, but from Worcester county west in MA & Windham county in VT, Cheshire & Hillsboro in NH we are looking at 3-6” w/higher terrains getting even more..Of course if the track of the storm changes a bit...so do amounts..on in 15min @NECN

Not even a met. Absolutely terrible LOL

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im thinking the same thing heavy rain to heavy snow just depends on how quick the changeover is but someone is going to get buried by this.

I can't believe how strong this storm is on the GFS now. It went from weak and offshore, to a 980 just past Maine. I think there will be a crazy changeover line that moves east with this.

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If we could only get the weekend low to come west........

One thing working in favor of Kevin's desire to see a warm solution to appease his self-fulfilling prophecy to be miserable... is that there has been a slight backing off of the amount of cold drain post that quasi stationary boundary sliding through around 24 hours from now. That stresses the frozen idea because otherwise would be less dynamics reliant. The flags originally looked to taut for a time, now...perhaps just wobbling. So it's 42-45F instead of 36-40F when things kick off overnight Thursday [perhaps].

Seems for BOS (i.e., Logan's lat/lon in relation to this thing), the cold arrives at about the same time the UVM drills ...big time race. But places back west from NW of HFD to FIT would see some cool 850mb-1000mb thickness a bit quicker and would benefit. Sorry for you guys in Willmington - what can I say. Move.

There's still time folks. Again, as Wxm' and I mentioned a while ago, these things have a way of ticking back E slightly in that day or day in a half lead compared to the often warm 48-60 hour bias. Not evertime, but there is that plausibility still in the fray of solutions.

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I can think of two reasons why she is on the air.

Lol.

I agree with Mitch--we waste a lot of qpf as rain on the GFS.. I haven't looked at the totals but a quick eyeball had it similarly generous with the qpf. So, if we can just keep things cool.......

Aint' gonna see anything wintry today, that's for sure. 53.0/53, foggy.

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One thing working in favor of Kevin's desire to see a warm solution to appease his self-fulfilling prophecy to be miserable... is that there has been a slight backing off of the amount of cold drain post that quasi stationary boundary sliding through around 24 hours from now. That stresses the frozen idea because otherwise would be less dynamics reliant. The flags originally looked to taut for a time, now...perhaps just wobbling. So it's 42-45F instead of 36-40F when things kick off overnight Thursday [perhaps].

Seems for BOS (i.e., Logan's lat/lon in relation to this thing), the cold arrives at about the same time the UVM drills ...big time race. But places back west from NW of HFD to FIT would see some cool 850mb-1000mb thickness a bit quicker and would benefit. Sorry for you guys in Willmington - what can I say. Move.

There's still time folks. Again, as Win' and I mentioned a while ago, these things have a way of ticking back E slightly in that day or day in a half lead compared to the often warm 48-60 hour bias. Not evertime, but there is that plausibility still in the fray of solutions.

Yeah there may be some oscillation in the track, but the models keep trending this stronger, so I'm not really feeling an east tick....well at least substantial one anyways. Tough to get the models to grow stronger with the MSLP and also tick east.

This storm may also have a strong burst of winds from the nw for 1-2 hrs. GFS drills the Cape with gusts past 50kts. Very dynamic system.

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