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Potential 12/8 Event Discussion Part I


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Yes, it's .65" qpf, 6 hours before it's falls to freezing. And .07" after that. It's rain changing to wet snow on the NAM. And I also agree the qpf is probably overdone.

For what it is worth (and probably not much - I'm at work and don't have access to BUFKIT or anything), Wunderground has the area switching over to snow by hour 66 down to the Monmouth/Ocean county border with about 0.3-0.5" QPF presumably falling as snow.

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Taken verbatim it would be rain changing to a pretty good rate of heavy wet snow....when the heavy precip comes in all layers are sufficiently cold except right at surface, wind almost due north and it's December....at face value would likely be at least coating to severL inches on cold surfaces from cnj north

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For what it is worth (and probably not much - I'm at work and don't have access to BUFKIT or anything), Wunderground has the area switching over to snow by hour 66 down to the Monmouth/Ocean county border with about 0.3-0.5" QPF presumably falling as snow.

On ewall, precip type graph has it change in NYC and Western LI sometime between 66-69hrs. Looks it lasts between 6 to 9hrs, with temps maybe 32-34F:

http://www.meteo.psu...2z/etaloop.html

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It's just so unlikely in this +NAO dominated pattern that it's hard to have much excitement here. Either the wave gets sheared out and exits out to sea, or the wave is stronger and it rides inland. These are patterns that favor the Midwest, not us. Again, think back to 07-08 for reasons why these setups are very often duds.

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It's just so unlikely in this +NAO dominated pattern that it's hard to have much excitement here. Either the wave gets sheared out and exits out to sea, or the wave is stronger and it rides inland. These are patterns that favor the Midwest, not us. Again, think back to 07-08 for reasons why these setups are very often duds.

It is unlikely but it's not impossible. Nothing is impossible when it comes to the weather.

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It's just so unlikely in this +NAO dominated pattern that it's hard to have much excitement here. Either the wave gets sheared out and exits out to sea, or the wave is stronger and it rides inland. These are patterns that favor the Midwest, not us. Again, think back to 07-08 for reasons why these setups are very often duds.

07-08 was SWFE dominated. This is a coastal. Not saying it's easy to get this right in the current pattern but it's a different animal.

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Not sure where you got this idea.... lol. Plenty of things are impossible.

Actually plenty of things are impossible in basically every subject you can think of. I never like it when people say nothing is impossible because it's simply untrue.

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07-08 was SWFE dominated. This is a coastal. Not saying it's easy to get this right in the current pattern but it's a different animal.

And I remember numerous times back then the waves being under-forecasted and coming in far more amplified because of the lack of blocking and +NAO. This may be different and the one time in 100 we get slammed in a pattern like this, but I have to think the odds are against us.

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The shortwave is de-amplifying rapidly as it traverses east thanks to the influence of the height field to the north. That is actually "saving us" in this situation (aka giving us more than a 0% chance), so although it is a southwest flow event it is not your typical one.

Define SWFE because you just confused me with this post.

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