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OK / AR / KS / MO Winter 2013-2014


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I am curious as to that last impulse the NAM is seeing. Does it have any support from other computer models? 

 

It's the main system, or well, what's left of it. All the models have it, but the NAM just has it wetter.

 

12z Euro still looks like it's the driest. 

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Looking at the 15z SREF for OUN, the 12z observational NAM was a significant outlier from all the other runs in the ensemble. The 18z NAM definitely looks more in line with the SREF (not saying I would put my faith in the SREF ensemble, however...). 

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I guess its wait and see what happens, I for one just dont have that feeling for this storm. Looks decent for southern missouri maybe but just not getting it for here. Wouldnt mind being in kc for this event, they appear to get nailed again. Maybe Im just looking at things wrong like I usually do :(

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I guess its wait and see what happens, I for one just dont have that feeling for this storm. Looks decent for southern missouri maybe but just not getting it for here. Wouldnt mind being in kc for this event, they appear to get nailed again. Maybe Im just looking at things wrong like I usually do :(

 

You will get freezing rain and sleet probably.

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You will get freezing rain and sleet probably.

Yuck! Doesnt sound to be as bad as what I read earlier though from nws. IDK too much going on today my heads spinning lol. I wish I could be in my hometown of south jersey also man, my mom said they are gonna or are expecting 10-15" from this thing!!!!

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00z NAM still coming in drier tonight. And wetter for tomorrow with the main system. It'll probably end up being wrong, since it's the NAM but total amount of frozen stuff (snow ratios will be high in areas that get snow):

 

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Is that just snowfall total jomo? that model is definately on something haha

 

Not all snowfall. It's a 10:1 ratio 'snowfall' map, but it's best to just use it as a map where precip has fallen when the temp is below freezing. The higher amounts of 'snow' are where more frozen precip falls. Much of that across Arkansas will be sleet or freezing rain. The stuff back in Northern OK and southern KS is probably more of a snowfall. 

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At least we are now close enough to the NAM's wheelhouse that there is a slight chance it is picking up on something real. Of course smart money should definitely stay with the GFS.

FWIW, we dropped below freezing a few hours ago in Central OK and temps are now in the 20s with steady freezing drizzle. Nothing was freezing on the roads as of an hour ago (when I went out to pick up a pizza), but I did have to scrape my windshield before leaving.

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AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SPRINGFIELD MO

1101 PM CST Sat Mar 1 2014

...Winter Storm Tonight through Sunday Night...

.UPDATE...

Issued at 1050 PM CST SAT MAR 1 2014

A complex winter storm continues to unfold this evening. The cold

front had shifted southward into far southern Missouri south of Highway

60. Late evening temperatures ranged from near 20 degrees across

central Missouri to near 50 near the Arkansas border. Areas of

freezing drizzle had developed from southeastern Kansas into central

Missouri and the latest radar trends suggest that light

precipitation is beginning to break out farther south. The heavier

winter precipitation to this point was located farther north from

central Kansas into northern Missouri within the entrance region

of the polar jet and axis of 850-700 MB frontogenesis.

Precipitation will begin a more notable increase in intensity

overnight as synoptic scale ascent begins to strengthen and the

deep moisture plume associated with a potent upper level trough

moving into the desert southwest advects across the region.

850 MB warm air and moisture advection within the low level jet

axis along with isentropic upglide will also aid in the

development of precipitation overnight. The activity will likely

be showery in nature. Progged most unstable CAPE on the order of

200 J/KG along with strong deep layer sheer will be supportive of

elevated thunder. Any convection will enhance precipitation rates

and accumulations. Also small hail cannot be ruled out in the

deeper convective elements.

Expect the heaviest precipitation to develop around and after 3 AM

and continue into mid morning Sunday. Evening models continue to

indicate a lull in the precipitation across a good portion of the

area from later Sunday morning into the afternoon. This seems

reasonable as the 850 MB front sags southeastward causing the low

level jet to veer. While precipitation may decrease in intensity

Sunday it is not expected to end.

Evening model runs are also consistent bringing another round of

winter precipitation in the form of snow to the area Sunday night

as the primary shortwave trough tracks eastward across the Ozarks.

A somewhat favorable track of this system along with decent jet

dynamics and good local pressure rises on the 295-305K Theta

surfaces will provide a period of strong lift. The result could be

a period of moderate to heavy snowfall Sunday night across a good

portion of southeastern Kansas and the Missouri Ozarks. Given the

high snow to liquid ratios several inches of snow cannot be ruled out.

Given the complexity of this winter storm stay to the latest

weather information and forecast as we continue to analyze the

latest model data.

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Hmm latest nws hazerdous discussion mentions no snow now at all for here bleh! Just zr and sleet. Just bring on spring allready lol

Ground temperatures in the teens with freezing rain is almost unheard of.  I know I don't ever remember that before.  I wouldn't bet on freezing rain being that big of an issue.  Maybe sleet but still seems bizarre that Tulsa still only has us for .1 of ice and 1/2 inch of sleet.  Yet we're under a WSW.  Weird.  Bring on the surprises!  

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Ground temperatures in the teens with freezing rain is almost unheard of.  I know I don't ever remember that before.  I wouldn't bet on freezing rain being that big of an issue.  Maybe sleet but still seems bizarre that Tulsa still only has us for .1 of ice and 1/2 inch of sleet.  Yet we're under a WSW.  Weird.  Bring on the surprises!  

Yea I just dont know what to think really, wait and see what happens I guess. Ive never seen freezing rain at those temps either.

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SNOW AND SLEET ACCUMULATIONS...FREEZING RAIN WILL MIX WITH THEN
CHANGE TO SLEET FROM NORTH TO SOUTH LATE TONIGHT INTO SUNDAY.
ONE HALF TO LOCALLY 2 INCHES OF SLEET IS EXPECTED WITH
ACCUMULATIONS DEPENDENT ON THE TIMING OF PRECIPITATION CHANGE
OVER. A TRANSITION TO SNOW WILL OCCUR LATER SUNDAY. SNOW
ACCUMULATIONS OF 2 TO 4 INCHES CAN BE EXPECTED ON TOP OF THE ICE
AND SLEET. SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS COULD OCCUR SUNDAY
NIGHT.

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00z Euro shows increased precip amounts. The heavier precip that was located over SE KS into W-Central MO in previous runs is farther south across NE OK into SW MO. That's what happens between midnight and 6 AM or so.

 

From 6 AM to noon, precip blossoms over SW to NE OK (the HRRR is doing this as well)

 

From noon to 6 PM, precip continues... The heaviest (0.4+") over the SE 1/2 of OK into Arkansas. The 0.1" line extends into SE KS which is better than the dryslot previously.

 

From 6 PM to midnight, NE OK, NW AR, SW MO get 0.1-0.25" of what should be snow by that time. 

 

From Midnight to 6 AM Monday... Snow continues across S MO and extreme northern AR with probably another 0.1-0.2"

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