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OK / AR / KS / MO Winter 2013-2014


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Ron Hearst has sounded the panic button. So has JoMo. Time to get hunkered down. Biggest fly in the ointment is p-type. That's tough to nail down, but has huge implications on the forecast.

 

 The 00z GFS is actually pretty 'wet' precip wise, and this is a long way out for a model that is usually dry. Only 1 more hour until the Euro!

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Tulsa sounds iffy still on precip. types. No watches as of yet for this area but Im sure tomorrow they will be flying out. Sounds like they are concered with colder than expected temps and they also sound like they are leaning towards more of a sleet event here.

 

Who the hell knows, let the games begin lol. I can handle sleet but Im a scaredy cat when it comes to ZR lol. Man my old stomping grounds looks to get nailed again! They have done well up there this season! Friends in kc said they are sick of the snow now and have gotten way too much this winter lol.

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06 gfs is a little farther north

 

 

Yikes.  I am hoping that is a hiccup (as the 6z and 18 z model runs have from time to time) rather than a trend.  Not only does that take any hope of snow from Central OK, but it comes very close to screwing over my hometown (outside of Philadelphia), too.   

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Watches have gone up from the northeastern third of Oklahoma, eastern half of Kansas, northwest corner of Arkansas and about 98% of Missouri (and points east of there).  OUN is going with a special weather statement for the time being for much of the rest of OK, but I would presume that once they can zero in on the exact p-type and exact start time, they will be upgrading to something... whether an advisory, winter storm warning or ice storm warning depending on how soundings look as the storm gets a bit closer.  In any case, it definitely looks like some form of an icy end to the weekend for most of us.... and I, for one, can't wait.  :snowman:    

 

EDIT:  Per the morning AFD from Norman, the models have been trending colder for Central Oklahoma, and, as of now (or then... it was early this morning), they are thinking that sleet will be the predominant p-type rather than freezing rain.  I suppose if that trend continues, maybe Central OK does have a chance to get some snow on the back end out of this instead of just ice.     

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Watches have gone up from the northeastern third of Oklahoma, eastern half of Kansas, northwest corner of Arkansas and about 98% of Missouri (and points east of there).  OUN is going with a special weather statement for the time being for much of the rest of OK, but I would presume that once they can zero in on the exact p-type and exact start time, they will be upgrading to something... whether an advisory, winter storm warning or ice storm warning depending on how soundings look as the storm gets a bit closer.  In any case, it definitely looks like some form of an icy end to the weekend for most of us.... and I, for one, can't wait.  :snowman:    

 

EDIT:  Per the morning AFD from Norman, the models have been trending colder for Central Oklahoma, and, as of now (or then... it was early this morning), they are thinking that sleet will be the predominant p-type rather than freezing rain.  I suppose if that trend continues, maybe Central OK does have a chance to get some snow on the back end out of this instead of just ice.

Yeah, definitely. One thing I'm noticing is both the NAM and even more so the GFS have consistently had a dry layer in the mid-levels, especially later on on Sunday. My inclination would be freezing drizzle if that were the case, which can almost be worse than freezing rain (remembering the black ice that coated everything a few weeks ago). I suppose we'll see how things shake out, but I'd be surprised to see actual freezing rain assuming those soundings verified.

On another note, I have to say that I'm more than a little impressed with our inversion, especially on the NAM. That is a +51 C/km lapse rate we're looking at there. :o Add in that some elevated CAPE at the top of the inversion and we could have some rockin' freezing thunderdrizzle at 14F. :P

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12z Euro is a bit colder. It is farther south with a band of precip on Saturday night into Sunday. Heavier amounts from SE KS into southern parts of W-Central MO (0.3-0.6). Looks like an I-44 dryslot for Sunday with some lighter precip. NW Arkansas (and points east) still looks like it could receive the brunt of this winter storm. 

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This afternoon's AFD from Norman is below.  Note the bold/underlined section.  Apparently Homer Simpson is the duty met today.  LOL. 

 

That aside, there is a lot of good info there.  I am slightly surprised that they didn't extend the watches in this direction, but I get it.  Down here, the initial precip we get will be freezing rain and, with temps in the 60s (probably pushing 70 F by now) today, I can't imagine freezing rain would be accumulating in any serious way on paved surfaces.  That gives them a bit more time to pin things down before deciding what advisories/warnings to post (if any).      

 

000
FXUS64 KOUN 282106
AFDOUN

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
306 PM CST FRI FEB 28 2014

.DISCUSSION...
PRIMARY FORECAST CONCERN REMAINS FOCUSED ON WINTRY PRECIP AND VERY
COLD TEMPERATURES LATE SAT-SUN.

CURRENTLY... SKIES CONTINUE TO CLEAR TO THE EAST THIS AFTERNOON AS
THE H500 SHORT WAVE CONTINUES TO PUSH INTO THE OZARKS... TAKEN THIS
MORNINGS SHOWERS WITH IT. WINDS HAVE REMAINED VARIABLE THROUGH THE
AFTERNOON... WITH TEMPS CLIMBING SLOWLY INTO THE MID TO UPPER 50S TO
LOWER 60S. 20Z SFC ANALYSIS REVEALS WINDS OUT OF THE NORTH UNDER THE
SFC TROUGH EXTENDING INTO WRN N TX FROM THE PANHANDLES. N/NW WINDS
WILL REMAIN BREEZY THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE AFTERNOON...
LESSENING THROUGH SUNSET. LOWS OVERNIGHT WILL DIP INTO THE MID 30S
TO LOWER 40S.

FOR SATURDAY... THE VISUALLY IMPRESSIVE LOW THAT IS CURRENTLY
CHURNING OFF THE CA COAST WILL BEGIN TO MOVE ASHORE AND OVER SOCAL
TONIGHT. SERIOUSLY... IF YOU HAVE NOT CHECKED OUT WV LATELY... GIVE
THAT H500 SHORT WAVE A LOOK...IT KIND OF RESEMBLES A CINNAMON
ROLL... MMMM...CINNAMON ROLLS.
ANYWAY... OFF THE ERN EDGE OF THIS
WAVE... A SECONDARY TROUGH WILL EJECT QUICKLY ACROSS THE
INTERMOUNTAIN WEST THROUGH THE EARLY AFTN. AHEAD OF IT... A DECENT
SFC HIGH/CANADIAN AIR MASS WILL CONTINUE TO SLIDE SWRD ACROSS THE
PLAINS... WITH A STOUT COLD FRONT EDGING NEAR THE OK/KS BORDER BY
01/18Z. THIS WILL RESULT IN A STARK GRADIENT FOR HIGHS SAT... WITH
30S ACROSS NRN OK TO UPPER 60S ALONG THE RED RIVER VALLEY.

SHORT/MID RANGE GUIDANCE REMAINS IN OVERALL DECENT AGREEMENT... WITH
ONLY MINOR SUBTLETIES BETWEEN SOLUTIONS WITHIN THE SYNOPTIC AND
MESOSCALE. THEREFORE... ONLY MADE MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO POPS... WITH
A SLIGHT INCREASE ACROSS N CENTRAL OK SUN MORNING. STILL EXPECT BEST
PRECIP CHANCES TO EXIST ACROSS SWRN KS INTO WRN MO... WITH SNOW THE
PRIMARY PRECIP TYPE... AND THEN SOUTH ACROSS NERN TX INTO THE SRN
OZARKS. FOR OKLAHOMA... FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET REMAIN THE PRIMARY
PRECIP TYPES LATE SAT NIGHT THROUGH SUN MORNING... WITH LIGHT
SNOW/SLEET DEVELOPING ACROSS NRN OK THROUGH SUN AFTN. WORKING TOP
DOWN... BUFR SOUNDINGS SHOW AN IMPRESSIVE WARM NOSE FROM CENTRAL OK
INTO NRN TX... AROUND 875MB OF 10C OVERNIGHT THRU SUNDAY. WITH LOWS
OVERNIGHT IN THE SINGLE DIGITS TO 20S ACROSS THE NRN HALF OF
OK...SLEET/FZRA WILL BE THE PRIMARY PRECIP TYPE FOR NRN AND CENTRAL
OK THROUGH THE SUNDAY MORNING... WITH RAIN AND SOME ISOLATED THUNDER
ACROSS FAR SRN OK AND WRN N TX. THROUGH SUNDAY... TEMPS WILL
CONTINUE TO FALL AS COLD AIR CONTINUES TO SPREAD ACROSS THE
REGION... WITH PROFILES IMPROVING... SLEET/FZRA WILL TRANSITION TO
SNOW ACROSS NRN OK... WITH FZRA/FZDZ INCREASING IN COVERAGE ACROSS
SRN OK AND WRN N TX. TOTAL ACCUMULATIONS OF SNOW AND ICE REMAIN
RELATIVELY LOW GIVEN THE INCREASING DRY NRLY FLOW WITHIN THE
BOUNDARY LAYER. WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED TO SEE SOME SUBLIMATION AS
THE H500 TROUGH EXITS TO THE EAST OVERNIGHT SUNDAY INTO MONDAY.

CURRENT EXPECTED IMPACTS... ELEVATED SURFACES MAY SEE ANYWHERE FROM
A TRACE TO A HUNDREDTH OF AN INCH OF ICE IN MOST LOCATIONS... WITH
SOME LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS IN LOCATIONS WELL EAST OF THE I-35
CORRIDOR. SLICK SPOTS WILL DEVELOP ON ROADWAYS RESULTING IN
HAZARDOUS DRIVING CONDITIONS. IF YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL ON SUNDAY...
DRIVE SLOWLY AND GIVE YOURSELF PLENTY OF TIME TO REACH YOUR
DESTINATION.

FOR NEXT WEEK... TEMPS WILL WARM SLOWLY AFTER MONDAY THROUGH THE END
OF THE WEEK... WITH ANOTHER SHOT OF RAIN POSSIBLY WED/THU.

JTK

 

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18z NAM has a pretty colorful accumulation map... However, it's the NAM so the usual "90% chance it's wrong" rules apply.

 

System should be fully sampled tonight.

 

 

 

That actually looks surprisingly good down this way (North side of OKC) with a few inches of snow in my backyard (or at least very close to my backyard) with that arc of heavier snow not too far to my north and west.  I am guessing that this map might be counting sleet as accumulated snow, but, regardless, I would love it if that were to verify.  Of course, we are talking about the NAM out to 69 hours so I won't be heading to Vegas to place any bets on it just yet.        

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18z GFS precip types map:

 

Compared to the map posted yesterday on the last page. The system is farther south, meaning less freezing rain in NW Arkansas and more sleet. Also, the snow/heaviest snow line has shifted farther south. Areas that do get snow will see high ratios since it's going to be really really cold.

 

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AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TULSA OK

350 PM CST FRI FEB 28 2014

.DISCUSSION...

2014...THE YEAR WINTER WOULD NOT END.

MAJOR FOCUS THIS FORECAST CYCLE IS SATURDAY NIGHT

THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT WINTER WEATHER. 1045-1050 MB

HIGH PRESSURE IN WESTERN CANADA WILL FLOOD PLAINS

WITH ARCTIC COLD THIS WEEKEND AS IT MOVES SOUTH.

MEANWHILE...IMPULSE CURRENTLY JUST OFF CALIFORNIA

COAST WILL REACH THE PLAINS SUNDAY. UPPER IMPULSE

WILL PRODUCE A WEAK SURFACE WAVE IN TEXAS SUNDAY.

THIS EVENT WILL BE A MET TEXTBOOK SETUP FOR LARGE

AREA OF SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN FOR OUR REGION.

COPIOUS COLD AIR AT LOW LEVELS WITH WARM AIR AND

LIFT OVER THE TOP.

BOURGOUIN PRECIP TYPE TOOL..WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT

SLEET / FREEZING RAIN DISCRIMINATOR...WAS USED ON

MODEL BIAS CORRECTED PROFILES TO ARRIVE AT PTYPE

APPROXIMATE AMOUNTS. SPECIFIC AMOUNTS UNDOUBTEDLY

WILL CHANGE SOME NEXT 24 HOURS. MODELS REASONABLY

CONSISTENT IN SCARY COLD AIR BELOW 925 AND WARM

AIR ABOVE. OVERALL QPF WILL DETERMINE SEVERITY OF

THIS EVENT. SLEET IS HIGHLY PREFERRED TO FREEZING

RAIN. CONVERTED EARLIER WATCH TO WARNING STATUS

FOR NORTHERN TIER COUNTIES ACROSS NORTHEAST OK.

ALSO CONVERTED BENTON AND CARROLL COUNTIES TO A

WINTER STORM WARNING. CONFIDENCE HIGH THAT THIS

AREA WILL RECEIVE 0.5 TO 1.0 INCH OF SLEET WITH

SOME FREEZING RAIN AT THE ONSET. FREEZING RAIN

ACCUMULATION HIGHER IN NORTHWEST ARKANSAS. WATCH

REMAINS OVER THE REMAINDER EASTERN OKLAHOMA..AND

ARKANSAS COUNTIES. ACTION STARTS SUNDAY EVENING

AND ENDS MONDAY EVENING.

THE AFTERMATH OF THIS WINTER WEATHER EVENT WILL

BE A BITTER COLD AIRMASS OVER OUR REGION MONDAY

...WHICH WILL SLOWLY MODERATE BY MIDWEEK. G

 

Tulsa sounds impressed. 

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Tulsa sounds impressed. 

 

Yeah, I just noticed that they upgraded their watches to warnings in their northernmost counties.  I think they are first to do so.  Everybody else has, as of this minute, has maintained watches only.  I suspect that the warnings will start flying later tonight when the 0z runs start coming in.     

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