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December 18-20 Potential Talking Points


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Weird look at 96 hours, definitely some big changes compared to 18z. The flow over the east has recovered, but the trough axis is further east in general. It's going to take a quick recovery or this will be a close but not quite there type run.

I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but isn't that what we want at this range? A close but no cigar?

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There's still a closed shortwave over Northern New England at 120 hrs, I don't think this is going to come up the coast until that is gone (this is the first run ive seen it).

The difference is that in the 18Z that closed shortwave that came across the great lakes, gets captured by PV as the whole thing phases.

This run, the shortwave escapes the phase, scoots east and reinforces the confluence over NNE. The phase with the southern energy just doesn't happen in earnest on this run.

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This storm is going to happen....I felt the same way about the 12/19 event last year at this range....I'd put it at 80% right now...call it more hunch than anything but I just feel it :weight_lift:

Yeah im in this boat....not going to swan dive off the driscol each and every model run....pulling up the preciep chart for the 00z gfs it looks so much like last year...plus my b-day is on the 20th and for the last two years it loves to snow on that date....I feel alot of people are forcasting what can wrong and not what is going right.....to many people thinking la nina not going to happen.

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I hope not everyone jumps ship again and says it's not going to happen because this run didn't slam us. So far it seems the 06 and 18z gfs runs are more phased and amplified giving us a big hit while the 0z and 12z runs show a miss although if you base the 0z gfs off of the 12z gfs then it's trended in our favor. I'm not surprised that the models are waffling a bit, this is usually expected, I do think this will be our storm, just give it a couple more days and it'll show up much better.

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As expected the confluence is going to end up biting us...this was a pretty big development even earlier in the run. This is going to escape just east, but the H5 depiction is very, very close to bringing a significant coastal storm up the coast.

It keeps getting closer and closer-- and the local tv mets are also talking about the possibilities of a coastal snowstorm this weekend.  Tonight's snow is an awesome appetizer!

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This storm is going to happen....I felt the same way about the 12/19 event last year at this range....I'd put it at 80% right now...call it more hunch than anything but I just feel it :weight_lift:

That's much better than the 5% the NWS was talking about last night.  I expect theyve revised their probabilities upwards also.  The trend is our friend ;) 

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Yeah im in this boat....not going to swan dive off the driscol each and every model run....pulling up the preciep chart for the 00z gfs it looks so much like last year...plus my b-day is on the 20th and for the last two years it loves to snow on that date....I feel alot of people are forcasting what can wrong and not what is going right.....to many people thinking la nina not going to happen.

But the thing is, you have to look for what can go wrong. There's a reason why NYC averages only 20 something inches of snow during the winter ... it's hard to get all the ingredients together in this area. You have to look for reasons why it will NOT snow, when trying to forecast. More often than not, things will go wrong. I feel good when I can discount most of the possible negatives. We're far from getting to that point with this potential event.

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But the thing is, you have to look for what can go wrong. There's a reason why NYC averages only 20 something inches of snow during the winter ... it's hard to get all the ingredients together in this area. You have to look for reasons why it will NOT snow, when trying to forecast. More often than not, things will go wrong. I feel good when I can discount most of the possible negatives. We're far from getting to that point with this potential event.

Im not saying dont look at them....but also look at whats going right. I dont understand what nyc snowfall avg has to do with getting this storm......We have ingredients on the tabel for this......people who think it will show a hit each and every run 6 days out are foolish. Hearing 15% to 85% not happening gets a little repatitive......i understand the cause for concern,,,,,but models showing a close miss, is right where i want to be 6 days out

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