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December 18-20 Potential Talking Points


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From DT, he's not buying at all.

Wxrisk.com ‎6PM UPDATE ON LINE.... sorry its late... got slammed today... THURSDAY 2-4 for southern 1/3 of VA...sw VA could see 5" .... for bigger event DEC 19 ... do NOT agree with 12z GFS MASSIVE snowstorm from RIC TO BOS.... central ...sw and eastern VA good chance to see Moderate snow event...

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From DT, he's not buying at all.

Wxrisk.com ‎6PM UPDATE ON LINE.... sorry its late... got slammed today... THURSDAY 2-4 for southern 1/3 of VA...sw VA could see 5" .... for bigger event DEC 19 ... do NOT agree with 12z GFS MASSIVE snowstorm from RIC TO BOS.... central ...sw and eastern VA good chance to see Moderate snow event...

Yeah of course, everyone is screwed but his backyard whistle.gif

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From DT, he's not buying at all.

Wxrisk.com ‎6PM UPDATE ON LINE.... sorry its late... got slammed today... THURSDAY 2-4 for southern 1/3 of VA...sw VA could see 5" .... for bigger event DEC 19 ... do NOT agree with 12z GFS MASSIVE snowstorm from RIC TO BOS.... central ...sw and eastern VA good chance to see Moderate snow event...

He is reporting what we all agree on. We need more model support of course.

ALL of us will go on the ship if ECMWF goes west, as well as GGEM-UKMET.

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well the euro and ukmet are probly about 6 - 8 hrs too late with the phase...the monster still lurks just offshore.. Im in shock that some people are downplaying this potential..:thumbsdown:

Its better to downplay it - makes for less disapointment if it misses - plus the GFS has 2 problems - its not the best model out there - and its been flip flopping ... DGIX came on board BUT thats another model that is not very accurate............EURO is the King so its hard to argue against it at this range,,,,

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Its better to downplay it - makes for less disapointment if it misses - plus the GFS has 2 problems - its not the best model out there - and its been flip flopping ... DGIX came on board BUT thats another model that is not very accurate............EURO is the King so its hard to argue against it at this range,,,,

I am getting tired of ECMWF is king....

Yes its better than the GFS, but not by much.

This isn't 1995 when GFS was so far behind the ECMWF.

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Its better to downplay it - makes for less disapointment if it misses - plus the GFS has 2 problems - its not the best model out there - and its been flip flopping ... DGIX came on board BUT thats another model that is not very accurate............EURO is the King so its hard to argue against it at this range,,,,

It's not quite in its range yet for the big storm track, and I remember a few times last year it shifted west closer in. Hope so this time.

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I am getting tired of ECMWF is king....

Yes its better than the GFS, but not by much.

This isn't 1995 when GFS was so far behind the ECMWF.

Well, it was technically the AVN then :thumbsup: and the ETA I think had only been out for around a year or so at that point...all things considered forecasting was pretty damn good in 1995 compared to 1985...largely because the LFM (already gone by then) and NGM were not as heavily relied upon. The Euro tends to perform better on East Coast storms overall but its blown many of them, but given it has so many more success events people tend to remember those....its funny because the memory usually retains failure better than success, but in this case success by the Euro is often failure for snow lovers so I guess I get it.

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Its better to downplay it - makes for less disapointment if it misses - plus the GFS has 2 problems - its not the best model out there - and its been flip flopping ... DGIX came on board BUT thats another model that is not very accurate............EURO is the King so its hard to argue against it at this range,,,,

The GFS has been the one consistent model, other then one or 2 runs. So you're wrong there. And it's probably the 2nd best model behind the EURO.

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Its better to downplay it - makes for less disapointment if it misses - plus the GFS has 2 problems - its not the best model out there - and its been flip flopping ... DGIX came on board BUT thats another model that is not very accurate............EURO is the King so its hard to argue against it at this range,,,,

5 out of 8 GFS runs have had an east coast snowstorm..it has been consistent....

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UKMET was a hit...a more eastern version of the 18z GFS

ok thanks - didnt know that...But that is my point, we just need alittle more amplification with the s/w, we still have about 75 hrs left of trending, models wont lock in until thurs night on the track...

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I'm a little disconcerted with the lack of support now from DT. I know he's been wrong in the past but he was really into this being a good storm for us now not so much. My expectations are tempered regardless but just thought I should add this because only occasionally have we ended up getting a big storm when DT wasn't buying it.

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His track record in the medium-long range is pretty good....sometimes in the short range his forecast amounts are somewhat high from what I've seen...last year though he was skeptical of the 12/19 event for NYC/NJ/CT even til the day of the event and as it turned out that had plenty of merit as the storm barely made it in and many parts of the area just inland did not see much snow.

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His track record in the medium-long range is pretty good....sometimes in the short range his forecast amounts are somewhat high from what I've seen...last year though he was skeptical of the 12/19 event for NYC/NJ/CT even til the day of the event and as it turned out that had plenty of merit as the storm barely made it in and many parts of the area just inland did not see much snow.

12/19 really became major from around here on east through Long Island. Around a foot and a half here to over 2 feet in Suffolk County. It's amazing what localized banding can do in these storms.

But on another note, I really thought the NYC area would get completely shafted up until about the day before. It really looked like it would just be a DC and southern NJ event for a few days.

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